[mlc9852]

Academic freedom at Cornell? Who woulda thought?

[gondramB]

There is nothing wrong with ID being taught in school - its only when they teach it in science class as valid science that it threatens the future of the country.

[Paddlefish]

Well, no matter what side of the evolution/ID debate you are on, what's wrong with it as a college elective course? Hopefully it promotes critical thinking, discussion, etc., in a more learned atmosphere. This is certainly preferable to confusing 8th and 9th graders with what is a much more scientifically detailed debate, which is whether there are legitimate scientific questions about evolution.

[doc30]

ping

[Disambiguator]

Related issue going on here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1613178/posts

[doc30]

Taught by senior lecturer Allen MacNeill of the Ecology and Evolutionary Biology department, Cornell's four-credit seminar course will use books such as "Debating Design," by William Dembski and Michael Ruse; and "Darwin's Black Box," by Michael Behe.

It is being taught in the hard sciences. I'm wondering what the level of the coursework will be. If it is graduate level, the students will ahve a much deeper understanding of biological sciences than the majority of people in the crevo debates. This may be an elective that will simply be testing students by dissecting faulty ID concepts.

[wallcrawlr]

^{Revelation 4:11}Intelligent Design
Constantly searching for objectivity in the evolution debate...
See my profile for info

[ThinkPlease]

See this website for details

I think you'll get a good idea of where the instructor is coming from here.

This link shows that the professor thinks modern day ID (the kind espoused by DI) is religion.

[Unam Sanctam]

I'm sure they have philosophy courses. Even if you define science to exclude speculation like ID, it should still constitute philosophy and an interesting intellectual challenge that should be debated, not silenced.

[DoctorMichael]

Another book to be added to the course's syllabus?

[Junior]

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1. 04/11/2006 Debris Disks Show Solar System Design [Religion]
2. 04/11/2006 Intelligent design goes Ivy League: Cornell offers course despite president denouncing theory
3. 04/11/2006 Rio Rancho school board approves new policy concerning evolution, Big Bang
4. 04/10/2006 Don't distort science to promote religious beliefs, say scientists [in the UK]
5. 04/10/2006 Evolution and Intelligent Design 'Humor'
6. 04/10/2006 Neanderthals Were Not Stupid, Just A Bit Anti-Social
7. 04/10/2006 New Edition: Darwin's Black Box [Religion]
8. 04/10/2006 RRPS to revisit Policy 401 at Monday's meeting
9. 04/09/2006 Evolution: If It Walks Like a Fish …
10. 04/09/2006 Penguins survived when dinosaurs died
11. 04/09/2006 Unearthing The Lost Peking Man
12. 04/09/2006 WMAP: NASA's 'Ringside Seat' on Cosmic Event: The Bible Taught It First [Religion]
13. 04/08/2006 Anyone for tennis, at the age of 150?
14. 04/08/2006 Science and Religion [Editorial on the Academic Freedom Act]
15. 04/08/2006 The Science Stories that Failed [Intelligent Design] [Smoky Back Room]
16. 04/08/2006 Victory for Intelligent Design (In Canada this time)
17. 04/08/2006 Yes, A Really Lousy Week (for Creationism - Dr Dino Going Down)
18. 04/07/2006 Mitochondrial genomics identifies major haplogroups in Aboriginal Australians
19. 04/07/2006 Study to measure 'popularization of Intelligent Design' refused funds
20. 04/07/2006 Study, in a First, Explains Evolution's Molecular Advance
21. 04/07/2006 The fish that crawled out of the water: A newly found fossil links fish to land-lubbers [Smoky Back Room]
22. 04/07/2006 Top Ten Junk Science Stories of the Past Decade
23. 04/07/2006 Two New Discoveries Answer Big Questions In Evolution Theory
24. 04/06/2006 Did the ACLU Squeeze the Intelligent Design Decision out of Dover?
25. 04/06/2006 Evolution of 'irreducible complexity' explained [Smoky Back Room]
26. 04/06/2006 Missing link a Joke: Not a Transition to Anything [Religion]
27. 04/06/2006 The fish that crawled out of the water - A newly found fossil links fish to land-lubbers. [Chat]
28. 04/06/2006 The PC Inquisition Comes TO Baylor University (You Can't Disagree With The Left In Texas Alert)
29. 04/06/2006 Transcript: Darwinist 'Dr Doom' Pianka Dreams of Forcibly Depopulating the Earth, Scientists Cheer
30. 04/05/2006 CIRCUMCISION: Did you know?
31. 04/05/2006 Discovered: the missing link that solves a mystery of evolution
32. 04/05/2006 Fossil Fish Sheds Light on Transition
33. 04/05/2006 Newly found species fills evolutionary gap between fish and land animals [Smoky Back Room]
34. 04/04/2006 Evolution debate shifts to textbooks [South Carolina]
35. 04/04/2006 Evolutionary scrap-heap challenge: Antifreeze fish make sense out of junk DNA
36. 04/04/2006 Some scientists think humans descended from Martian microbes
37. 04/04/2006 Texas Prof.: 'We're Breeding Our Brains Out' (We need to Kill More Humand to Save the Earth)
38. 04/04/2006 The Other Intelligent Design Theories [Smoky Back Room]
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7. 04/07/2005 A Matter of Life and Death: From Darwin to Hitler
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16. 04/11/2004 Split Between English and Scots Older Than Thought
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19. 04/06/2004 Evolved DNA stitches itself up [Ever closer to 'life-in-the-lab']
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[MissAmericanPie]

Fantastic

[Right Wing Professor]

I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed. The guy who developed the course, Allan McNeill, says "as an evolutionary biologist, I will of course be entering the discussion from the standpoint of a methodological naturalist, with all of the metaphysical assumptions that position entails."

I suggest people check out the discussion on Telic Thoughts.

[AndrewC]

Where's the office pool on how long it will be before the professor is moved next to the incinerator in the utility building?

[Antoninus]

"We have found him always ready to go out of his way to encourage diversity of thought, and his former students speak highly of his fairness," the group said. "We look forward to a course where careful examination of the issues and critical thinking is encouraged."

There you go. Perhaps there's hope for American universities yet...

[Domestic Church]

ROFLOL!!!!!!!!