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To: Antoninus

Some men don't need an excuse to whack off in public. Many works we consider masterpieces were originally considered at least titillating or shocking, if not obscene; Edouard Manet's "Olympia" was literally scandalous in 1865, and was intended to be. John Singer Sargent had to repaint a dress strap on Madame Gautrau's portrait; it had to be exhibited as "Madame X" in order not to raise a scandal about the real model. I am sure you know these paintings; they were not always seen through 21st century eyes.

Many paintings of women "en dashibille" were only exhibited in bars and men's clubs where women would not see them. I cannot swear as to what men did in front of them, but I suppose the floors were in questionable condition for numerous reasons.

I remember the early days of Playboy, when the models were somewhat orange in color, airbrushed to the point of unreality, and showed very little compared to today. What was "naughty" in the fifties and sixties is humorous today.


178 posted on 04/11/2006 10:44:54 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003

Pardon me, I'm on a small laptop keyboard. I mean "en deshabille", of course.


182 posted on 04/11/2006 10:48:35 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003
Many works we consider masterpieces were originally considered at least titillating or shocking, if not obscene.

What's your point? My point was that magazines like Playboy allowed ordinary men and boys to have their own private stash of readily available porn, which is enormously destructive both mentally and spiritually. Having a collection of oil paintings of naked chicks in your house was simply not feasible for the average person--and indeed, even a rich guy who did so would have rightly been considered in the same light as the Marquis d'Sade.

Certainly, you can see the direct, straight line down that leads from "scandalous" works of art like Manet's Olympia through "humorous" nudie mags like the early Playboy to utterly vile publications and websites like what exist today in tremendous proliferation within easy reach of the youngest boy with any kind of web savvy.

Celebrating Playboy is like celebrating a way station along the road to the cultural destruction of the Christian West.
185 posted on 04/11/2006 10:58:16 AM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals regardless of their party affiliation.)
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