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The Constitution Party on the War on Terror
The Constitution Party ^ | 4-11-06

Posted on 04/11/2006 7:31:43 AM PDT by SJackson

Since third parties, specifically the Constitution Party, have become an issue

Constitution Party on Immigration

Constitution Party gains strength, could hurt Republicans

I thought it might be helpful to look at issues other than immigration. The entire platform is in post 1, since there are issues other than the WOT and immigration.

Terrorism and Personal Liberty

America is engaged in an undeclared war with an ill-defined enemy (terrorism), a war which threatens to be never ending, and which is being used to vastly expand government power, particularly that of the executive branch, at the expense of the individual liberties of the American people.

The "war on terrorism" is serving as an excuse for the government to spend beyond its income, expand the Federal bureaucracy, and socialize the nation through taxpayer bailouts of the airlines, subsidies to the giant insurance corporations, and other Federal programs.

We deplore and vigorously oppose legislation and executive action, that deprive the people of their rights secured under the Fourth and Fifth Amendments under the guise of "combating terrorism" or "protecting national security." Examples of such legislation are the National Security Act, the USA PATRIOT Act, and the proposed Domestic Securities Enhancement Act (colloquially known as "Patriot II").

The National Security Act is used by the federal government as a shroud to prevent the American people and our elected officials from knowing how much and where our tax dollars are spent from covert operations around the world. The National Security Act prevents the release of Executive Orders and Presidential Decision Directives, e.g., PDD 25, to the American people and our elected representatives. Not only are many of these used to thwart justice in the name of national security, but some of the operations under this act may threaten our very national sovereignty.

The USA PATRIOT Act permits arrests without warrants and secret detention without counsel, wiretaps without court supervision, searches and seizures without notification to the individual whose property is invaded, and a host of other violations of the legal safeguards our nation has historically developed according to principles descending from the Fourth and Fifth Amendments.

Since we will no longer have a free nation while the federal government (or the governments of the several states, as the federal government may authorize) can violate our historic rights under such laws, we call for the rejection of all such laws and the ceasing of any such further proposals including the aforementioned Domestic Securities Enhancement Act.

The Constitution Party is unalterably opposed to the criminal acts of terrorists, and their organizations, as well as the governments which condone them. Individuals responsible for acts of terrorism must be punished for their crimes, including the infliction of capital punishment where appropriate. In responding to terrorism, however, the United States must avoid acts of retaliation abroad which destroy innocent human lives, creating enmity toward the United States and its people; and

In accord with the views of our Founding Fathers, we must disengage this nation from the international entanglements which generate foreign hatred of the United States, and are used as the excuse for terrorist attacks on America and its people. The 'war on terrorism" is not a proper excuse for perpetual U.S. occupation of foreign lands, military assaults on countries which have not injured us, or perpetual commitment of taxpayer dollars to finance foreign governments.

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Peroutka’s Plan for Iraq
April 16, 2004

"I like President Bush personally. He is a sincere man. I respect his office. But, it is becoming painfully obvious that he has no plan to get our country out of the un-Constitutional, bloody, deadly, mess going on in Iraq. In fact, Mr. Bush and John Kerry both favor putting more troops into Iraq. In his recent press conference, Mr. Bush said our troops would be in Iraq 'as long as necessary,' 'for a while,' until Iraq is 'a free country.' He said Iraqis would provide their own security 'eventually.' I strongly disagree. As President, I would move immediately to withdraw all our troops from Iraq in a way that would provide for the safety of those Iraqis who worked with us during this illegal, wrong-headed war.

"I, like President Bush, hope that the Iraqi people, and all people, will be free from tyranny. But, unlike President Bush, I realize that, Constitutionally, as President, it would not be my job to use our military to spread 'freedom' everywhere in the world. Unlike President Bush, I, as President, would realize that I had been elected President of the United States, not President of the World.

"In 1821, John Quincy Adams said, of America:

'She goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.'

But, ignoring Adams' wise advice, President Bush, using our military, has gone abroad and destroyed the monster Saddam Hussein who posed no threat to the vital national security interests of our country. The result: We are bogged down in a bloody and expensive mess with no end in sight. If elected President, however, I would move immediately to end our involvement in Iraq. I am not one who believes that when you are in a hole you should not be in, you should keep digging. "

For God, Family and the Republic,

Michael A. Peroutka

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Withdraw from Iraq-no democracy through warfare
Should the United States withdraw its troops from Iraq? A: Yes.

Peroutka says, "Article I.8 of the US Constitution does not grant to Congress the power of "nation-building." If I am elected President, no longer will these United States seek regime change nor the concept of spreading democracy through warfare, and the children within these United States will not be committed to engage in a war to `free' any people."

Michael Peroutka on VoteMatch


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To: SJackson
In accord with the views of our Founding Fathers, we must disengage this nation from the international entanglements which generate foreign hatred of the United States, and are used as the excuse for terrorist attacks on America and its people. The 'war on terrorism" is not a proper excuse for perpetual U.S. occupation of foreign lands, military assaults on countries which have not injured us, or perpetual commitment of taxpayer dollars to finance foreign governments.

Absolutely wrong. The Islamists hate us for who we are, and withdrawal is not an option. Vigourous pursuit of the war against the terrorists is the only option - I would respect the CP more if they said that America needed to be even harder in its response, not this nonsense.

Regards, Ivan

121 posted on 04/12/2006 9:05:35 AM PDT by MadIvan (Ya hya chouhada! Dune fans, visit - http://www.thesietch.com/)
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To: XJarhead
"Sovereign right" and "exclusive jurisdiction"? From where did we obtain that? Presumably, they're talking about U.S. rights as described in the original Panama Canal treaty. But if Panama had the right to surrender its sovereignity over part of its territory via a treaty, then we obviously had the same right to return that sovereignity to them via another treaty. Which is exactly what happened. Right or wrong, that's a done deal, and whatever legal right we had to stay there ended when we signed a new treaty.

I can only assume they made it up. There is no legal basis. We would simply abrogate the treaty and go to war with Panama. But it's red meat for some. Which is why it's in the platform.

122 posted on 04/12/2006 9:07:48 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson
The "Constitution Party" is an anti-Israel, chr*stian "reconstructionist" JBS front. Like the rest of the "old right," they oppose the war on terror just as they opposed World War II, but they were all for the war on Communism even though it encouraged the same "war on liberties" that the other two did (I have yet to hear a "palaeo" complain abut J. Edgar Hoover). The "old right" opposes the draft now and opposed it in World War II but was all for it during the Cold War despite the fact that it was not one whit more constitutional then than in the other two cases.

And do I really have to point out that something is wrong when "constitutionalists" endorse the Jeffersonian position as THE correct constitutional interpretation when Jefferson did not even help write it while loose constructionist and central banking advocate Alexander Hamilton did???

123 posted on 04/12/2006 9:14:09 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Bekhol dor vador `omedim `aleynu lekhalloteynu, veHaQadosh Barukh Hu' matzileinu miyyadam!)
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To: backtothestreets
I'm curious as to whether you've actually servied in the all volunteer military that you claim is "feminized". I served in that military for 13 years, and the Marine Corps didn't seem to damn feminine to me. But what would I know....

When the all volunteer force objectives failed to meet the goal with male volunteers, each military branch was forced to accept volunteers from the only other available pool of potential volunteers, women.

They already selected female volunteers prior to the ending of the draft.

accepting women into roles that had previously been male dominated led to the feminization of the military.

That's not what happened. At the time the draft ended, women already were permitted to volunteer for the exact same specialties as they were during the draft. In other words, the all volunteer force did not open any new specialities for women.

Crediting Pat Schroeder for the change gives her undo importance.

Credit DACOWITS if you want. That was the reason you saw more MOS's opened to women, not military need. I saw that personally.

And even taking into account the increased presence of women, which I largely oppose, I'd still much rather have been in an all volunteer force than one made up of draftees. And I wage 90% of the guys who are serving now would say the exact same thing. You don't want to be there, I don't want you there. It's that simple.

124 posted on 04/12/2006 9:30:21 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: fortheDeclaration

Women have always been "exposed to combat." It's just that they have never been trained and armed to protect themselves before.

I believe that the major problem is the variable standards for physical abilities and skills that are artificially set up in order to supposedly make women "equal" to men in the military.

While medical and support services may have different requirements, dedicated combat troops need to be teams, with similar requirements among the members.


125 posted on 04/12/2006 9:46:23 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: TBP

Driving off a cliff at 100 mph is really funny! Laugh for the day! And, it is quite true. They probably need to slow down to about 55 mph. Good analogy, considering they ARE breaking the law...


126 posted on 04/12/2006 10:10:23 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Blather about overwhelming attacks is nothing but that. Such things are never going to be the way we run foreign affairs since they are completely antithetical to America's nature. The mentality you demonstate sounds foolish and immature. You fail to recognize that the current methods, which you apparently advocate, is a failed policy that has put the United States in an untenable position. It's time to consider other options, not just hammering the nail harder and still missing.
127 posted on 04/12/2006 10:36:13 AM PDT by gregwest
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To: XJarhead
I'm curious as to whether you've actually servied in the all volunteer military that you claim is "feminized".

Yes, I was in the military during that period of time and vividly recall the many mandatory classes we had to attend to "adjust" to the increased presence of women in the military. One of my duties was to train women in positions that were previously closed to them. A part of that training included having their male counterparts accept a person that could not met the same physical requirements demanded of the men.

They already selected female volunteers prior to the ending of the draft.

Yes, they certainly did have women volunteers prior to the ending of the draft. Each branch also had maximum quotas of women allowed in the service. These quotas were increased do to the lack of male volunteers when the draft ended.

I wholeheartedly agree with you about serving with volunteers as opposed to conscripts, but I am also opposed to having women serve in combat roles. Given a choice of having women fill these positions or having men drafted, I'll take the draft. The crucial reason women are in these roles is because too few men find honor in serving the military needs of our nation anymore. Adding to this are the numbers of our leaders that have served honorably in the military and can be pointed to as an example for young men to follow.
128 posted on 04/12/2006 10:54:51 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: SJackson
We deplore and vigorously oppose legislation and executive action, that deprive the people of their rights secured under the Fourth and Fifth Amendments under the guise of "combating terrorism" or "protecting national security." Examples of such legislation are the National Security Act, the USA PATRIOT Act, and the proposed Domestic Securities Enhancement Act (colloquially known as "Patriot II").

Apparently, they, also, deplore, correct, punctuation.

The Constitution party holds no interest from me.

129 posted on 04/12/2006 10:56:44 AM PDT by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The "Constitution Party" is an anti-Israel, chr*stian "reconstructionist" JBS front...

True, but their positions are laughable without going there.

130 posted on 04/12/2006 11:18:46 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The "Constitution Party" is an anti-Israel, chr*stian "reconstructionist" JBS front.

If you ask me, cutting off all foreign aid (including aid to Israel) would probably help Israel better than the current policy of using aid as a marionette string to get Israel to progressively surrender to the Palestinians.

And do I really have to point out that something is wrong when "constitutionalists" endorse the Jeffersonian position as THE correct constitutional interpretation when Jefferson did not even help write it while loose constructionist and central banking advocate Alexander Hamilton did???

Extremely selective use of facts there. First of all, the "Jeffersonian" position also happens to be the Madisonian position, and Madison had far more to do with the writing of the Constitution than Hamilton did. Even Jefferson himself, though he wasn't present at the convention, had a large influence. His "Notes on the State of Virginia" contained a very sound statement of principles about the constitutional pitfalls to avoid (which Virginia had already experienced), and that was an important contribution to the development of the U.S. Constitution.

Finally, the Hamiltonian doctrine, conveniently enough, didn't actually appear until after the Constitution was ratified. Neither in his Federalist writings that urged ratification, nor in his addresses to the New York ratifying convention, did he give any hint that a national bank might be provided by the document. It was only afterwards that he "discovered" this.

131 posted on 04/12/2006 11:47:46 AM PDT by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: George W. Bush
"--- In many respects, the modern objective of American policy over the last hundred years since the rise of the national security state during the run-up to the fascist era has largely been formulated as follows:
America has the right to do anything to anyone at any time at any place it desires and therefore anyone who might object is a dupe or a terrorist or a drug trafficker or a communist or a subversive peacenik or a Nazi.
And if nothing else, to oppose America is to oppose freedom and democracy. Whatever those terms actually mean in the modern West... But then, it's inconvenient to define them too clearly?

It all sounds fair if you're an American, of course. But we are something of a minority. And these positions are not strongly held even in this country. ---"

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Well put. -- And it should be emphasized that this empirical position is held by the powers that be in both parties.
We are giving massive amounts of power to politicians that are convinced that anyone who objects to the way they use that power -- "is a dupe or a terrorist or a drug trafficker or a communist or a subversive peacenik or a Nazi".

Interesting times.

132 posted on 04/12/2006 12:08:13 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: gregwest

There is no "failed policy" for me to recognize. Crackpot evaluations and Leftist LIES do not make for failure. Removing the Party of Treason from power removes the greatest force for failure that the nation faces.

Nor is there anything untenable about America's position. So far we have barely touched our potential power.

Such lack of insight must mean you actually believe what is passed out by the Treason Media.


133 posted on 04/12/2006 12:47:30 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: hocndoc
Women have always been "exposed to combat." It's just that they have never been trained and armed to protect themselves before. I believe that the major problem is the variable standards for physical abilities and skills that are artificially set up in order to supposedly make women "equal" to men in the military. While medical and support services may have different requirements, dedicated combat troops need to be teams, with similar requirements among the members.

Women being 'exposed' to combat and being in combat are two different things.

A women in a rear line medical unit is far less likely to be exposed to danger then a woman in a helicopter or supply convoy.

The fact is that women are not held to the same physical requirements men are, nor should they be.

Moreover, in combat, unit cohesion is crucial, and no woman is going to be 'one of the guys'.

Ultimately, the fact is that men are to protect women, not let them do their fighting for them.

134 posted on 04/12/2006 1:50:05 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal. 4:16)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Isn't it great when we say the same thing?


135 posted on 04/12/2006 3:57:15 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: tpaine; fortheDeclaration
And it should be emphasized that this empirical position is held by the powers that be in both parties.

It's because both parties know that, sooner or later, they will hold power and enjoy the perks of administering the system.

Hadn't seen you or ftD online for a long time. Nice to see some names from the old days on my screen.
136 posted on 04/12/2006 4:06:24 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
-- both parties know that, sooner or later, they will hold power and enjoy the perks of administering the system.

You bet.. Be prepared to see some real perks enjoying the WH in 09.

Hadn't seen you or ftD online for a long time. Nice to see some names from the old days on my screen.

Nice to see you too..
And yep, the old names seem to be coming, and going, - a lot lately..
-- But that's really nothing new for FR.

137 posted on 04/12/2006 5:44:48 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: George W. Bush
Hadn't seen you or ftD online for a long time. Nice to see some names from the old days on my screen.

Thank you.

Good to hear from you also.

138 posted on 04/13/2006 2:43:40 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal. 4:16)
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To: trubluolyguy
No one issue voter here. I like pretty much the entire platform.

Yup, out of Iraq, now, the oceans will protect us. Why digging ourselves into a deeper hole than the neocons have already gotten us into.

Nice to see you observing the agit-prop on the pro-War for Empire Internet site known oxymoronically as Free Republic.com, aka Censored Republic.com, lapdogs of Bush and Cheney.

139 posted on 05/18/2006 7:35:43 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson

WTF are you talking about? Are you on drugs? If not don't you think you ought to look into them?


140 posted on 05/18/2006 7:37:39 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (You want my vote? I want border security and no criminals rewarded for criminal behavior)
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