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Posted on 04/11/2006 1:33:17 AM PDT by Lukasz

Knowing that there is a widespread misconception about the origin of and operation of the Nazi German Auschwitz Birkenau death camps, the Polish government is taking steps to change the name of the camps to emphasize that the camps were Nazi German facilities. This proposal to change the name has met with resistance from some quarters. At the same time it has stirred a sudden debate in Poland that has raised the ire of both the Jewish people who were prisoners at the camp, Polish veterans groups and the families of Polish people who were also prisoners at the camps.

In response to the Polish government's moves to change the name the World Jewish Congress said "That they want to change history by changing the name". This posting on the World Jewish Congress website has created a stir and only reinforced the opinions of those who support the change in name.

The posting on the World Jewish Congress website fosters the opinion that Although the camp had been built and run by Nazi Germany, everybody in the area had known about its existence and workers were recruited from the Polish population in the neighboring village. The government in Warsaw wants the history of Auschwitz, which is listed as a UNESCO world heritage site, to be separated from Polish history and make it clear that Poland had no involvement in the death camp.

But members of the board of the Auschwitz Birkenau death camp museum, Jewish and former prisoners of the death camps, take issue with the statements of the World Jewish Congress. They firmly state that the camps were not operated by Polish people recruited from the local population but were in fact built by Polish prisoners rounded up off the streets of Poland, made prisoners, and forced to work at the camps.

Jewish leaders in Poland have opined that the statement on the World Jewish Congress website is probably the opinion of one individual. Reporters from the public television station TVP1 in Poland, however, were not able to get any response from the World Jewish Congress on this matter. Some Polish commentators claim that this is a deliberate disinformation campaign by the World Jewish Congress.

Wladyslaw Bartoszewski says he took issue with the opinions that the camp was run by people recruited from local community. He is a former prisoner of Auschwitz and categorically stated that it was Polish prisoners who were forced to work at the camp and that local people did not work at the camps.

About Wladyslaw Bartoszewski - Member of the Polish resistance Armia Krajowa (codename Ludwik) during World War II, took part in the Warsaw Uprising, member of Zegota. In 1940-1941 prisoner of Auschwitz Concentration Camp. Imprisoned by the communist regime twice in 1946-1948 and 1949-1954, falsely accused of spying, rehabilitated in 1955. As journalist worked for Roman Catholic weekly Tygodnik Powszechny, headed Polish PEN-Club (1972-1982), taught modern history at Catholic University of Lublin, cooperated with Radio Free Europe. Imprisoned during the 1981 - 1983 martial law in Poland. Served as ambassador of Republic of Poland in Austria (1990-1995), minister of Foreign Affairs of Poland in 1995 and 2000. From 1997 until 2001, Bartoszewski was a senator in Senat, the upper house of the Polish parliament. Since June 2001, he has been the chairman of an organization committed to preserving the memory of past victims of wars and persecution, the Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk i Meczenstwa [1]. He is also the chairman of the International Auschwitz Council [2].

Public television coverage seemed to emphasize that there is a lack of knowledge of the true nature of the camp. TVP1 went to the point of interviewing an Auschwitz tour guide who said that many times that she is told that the camps were Polish camps. Even though the visitors are at the camps and have full information in front of them they keep the opinion that the camps were not Nazi German the Polish.

The statement by the World Jewish Congress is not helpful in its own right but it has galvanized opinion in many circles in Poland to the point that a lot more pressure will be now brought to bear to change the name and a proactive campaign will probably begin to prevent the rewriting of history by those who choose to hang the responsibility for the Nazi German death camps on the Polish people.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: auschwitz; israel; jewish; jews; nazis; poland; unesco; wjc; wwii
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1 posted on 04/11/2006 1:33:18 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Lukasz

Sorry, don't buy the whole premise. Auschwitz was Auschwitz, and attempts to change the name are attempts to rewrite history.


2 posted on 04/11/2006 1:50:50 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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This is the new name: "Former Nazi German Concentration Camp Auschwitz-Birkenau"

So which of above words is untrue? Or you support the version that the Germans didn't run the camp?

3 posted on 04/11/2006 1:56:58 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Lukasz

The "new" name as you state it is fine. I must say, however, it bears a remarkable resemblance to the old name. At all events, no need to quibble. Call it Auschwitz or call it The Concentration Formerly Known As Auschwitz. Such a change is utterly silly, but if it makes you feel better, then knock yourself out.


4 posted on 04/11/2006 2:07:04 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Lukasz

Sorry - meant to write The Concentration Camp Formerly Known As Auschwitz.


5 posted on 04/11/2006 2:08:25 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer

The point is with the word "German" and not because the Poles currently dislike Germans but because it is the historical true.


6 posted on 04/11/2006 2:10:05 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Lukasz

It seems rather silly to change the name.


7 posted on 04/11/2006 2:11:59 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Lukasz

My brother-in-law's father was born and grew up in Oswiecim (Auschwitz). He wrote his family's story about the Jewish community and the concentration camp at Auschwitz during the Holocaust. His account does not agree with this revisionist pretending that the local population was not aware or involved.


8 posted on 04/11/2006 2:14:04 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now (What happened to the Bush Doctrine? Destroy terrorist training grounds. No Palestinian state!)
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To: Lukasz

That's fine. I have no quibble with that. I suspect that most people with a fourth grade education know the Nazis were responsible, but if it makes you feel better to mention that specifically in a new and extended title for the camp, then by all means do so.


9 posted on 04/11/2006 2:14:16 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
His account does not agree with this revisionist pretending that the local population was not aware or involved.

Of course that the local population was aware, so what? They should call for police? If he claim that the Poles were involved, then he is in quarrel with Auschwitz prisoners like above mentioned Bartoszewski and with Jewish community of Poland.

10 posted on 04/11/2006 2:24:53 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Jack Hammer
I suspect that most people with a fourth grade education know the Nazis were responsible

Your faith in people’s education level is too big I think. As you could read above even Auschwitz tour guide admitted that such problem exist.

11 posted on 04/11/2006 2:27:39 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Lukasz

Yes, perhaps you're right. Expecting people to be educated these days is often expecting too much.


12 posted on 04/11/2006 2:31:52 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Lukasz

By changing the name the Poles are trying to wash their hands of their level of participation. They are trying to do the same thing the rest of Europe is doing. The Germans had plenty of help from the Poles, French, Austrians, etc (and let's stop hiding behind Nazi).


13 posted on 04/11/2006 2:36:17 AM PDT by Hong Kong Expat
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I have no doubt that the Poles were, at least to some extent, complicit. Indeed, the historical record is clear. And certainly there was widespread animosity toward the Jews all over Europe, antisemitism being nothing new, but having existed for millennia. On the other hand, it took a rare and very courageous person to stand up to the Nazis, even as a member of an organized resistance. Alone and without the assistance of an organization of confederates, with a vulnerable family to protect, and with no weapons to hand, standing up to the Nazis was almost unheard of. Anyway, it was a h*ll of a long time ago; all those involved are long since dead, or will be soon, so who gives a rat's bum. This whole argument is like the Chinese whinging about the Japanese accepting responsibility for the war. Who cares.


14 posted on 04/11/2006 2:47:55 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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And how do you react when the looney left calls America the Product of Genocide against the Indians?


15 posted on 04/11/2006 3:06:46 AM PDT by Hong Kong Expat
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To: Hong Kong Expat

Your post it is only great example that Polish efforts are indeed necessary. No matter what it is propaganda or simple ignorance.


16 posted on 04/11/2006 3:10:19 AM PDT by Lukasz
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17 posted on 04/11/2006 3:11:10 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Hong Kong Expat

I ignore them.


18 posted on 04/11/2006 3:12:18 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Lukasz

Change the names to what? Auschwitz IS a German name. I believe the Poles called the nearby town Oscwieczm [p/s]. And Birkenau was named for the birch trees on the site of the death camp.


19 posted on 04/11/2006 4:29:15 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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"Former Nazi German Concentration Camp Auschwitz-Birkenau"


20 posted on 04/11/2006 4:37:09 AM PDT by Lukasz
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