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VC (Victoria Cross) winner branded a war criminal
The Telegraph ^ | 10 April 2006 | Paul Chapman

Posted on 04/10/2006 12:57:07 PM PDT by 5050 no line

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To: 5050 no line
"Hulme deserved the VC for his outstanding bravery, but he shouldn't have done what he did in disguising himself."

When the Krauts looked around he should have said "G-Day Mates".

21 posted on 04/10/2006 1:18:09 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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To: ishabibble; Gay State Conservative
Heck, in this country even Willy Brandt (the former West German Chancellor who initiated the soft-pedalled Ostpolitik towards East Germany and who ended up with two of his aides as East German Stasi spies) would be relatively sane. Yep, our Left is as goofy as Noam Chomsky:

Denis Dutton on New Zealand "idealism"/appeasement

"Willy Brandt, the social democratic Chancellor of West Germany, was once upbraided by idealistic members of the New Zealand Labour caucus over Nato. As Mike Moore tells the story, Brandt explained his position to the New Zealanders, and added, "Idealism increases in direct proportion to your distance from the problem.""

22 posted on 04/10/2006 1:18:59 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: 5050 no line
Other academics have supported the book's claims. Peter Wills, the deputy director of the Centre for Peace Studies at Auckland University, said Sgt Hulme's actions were "unsanctioned murder".

I haven't seen the "Peace Studies" crowd rear their ugly heads in awhile - this was the bunch that called for international sanctions against Iraq instead of war in 1991 and then turned around and protested the post-war sanctions as soon as those were accused of denying medicine to Iraqi babies (the sanctions didn't, of course, Saddam did, but strangely they didn't seem to want to point that out).

No one is quite as enthusiastic about applying laws and rules to warfare as those who do not have to fight in it. There isn't anything "illegal" about donning the opposition's uniforms - one recalls the Germans doing so just prior to the Battle of the Bulge - but it does line one up to being shot as a spy if caught. This particular hero wasn't out there to arrest the nest of enemy snipers, he was out there to kill them and so he did. And he has my fervent thanks for having done so.

23 posted on 04/10/2006 1:19:58 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 5050 no line

What a chickensh*t allegation after all of these years. The Nazis were cruel monsters who defied every convention of decency. And they deserved much more than Hulme or the rest of the Allies returned to them.

The idea of apologizing to the families of a Nazi sniper is ludicrous. This man outsmarted the enemy and surely saved many lives.


24 posted on 04/10/2006 1:21:39 PM PDT by Elpasser
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To: Billthedrill
One favorite German tactic was to put a captured tank or two in front of the column so that the enemy would see the familiar outline and just ignore the column. Off the top of my head I know they used this tactic in Normandy and at Kassirne Pass. It's war.
25 posted on 04/10/2006 1:22:56 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (In the end it does not matter if you win. All men die. What matters is how you lived. No surrender)
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To: 5050 no line
His VC is on display in the army's national museum at its headquarters in Waiouru.

If I was Anita, I'd be getting that thing back before somebody decides I have no right to it.

26 posted on 04/10/2006 1:23:31 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: okie01

Just like Canada. And we have no French to make up our excuses of being a weasel: the politicians and intellectuals who openly espouse such leftist ideas (Helen Clark, Margaret Wilson, or Geoffrey Palmer for instance) are purely English stock descendents.


27 posted on 04/10/2006 1:24:55 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: Ronin
Speaking of war crimes, I heard of a guy in Vietnam who falsely put on an American naval officer uniform, and then turned on Americans, causing death to many, and hardship to even more. Somehow managed to shoot himself in the backside, got himself sent home with lots of medals he recommended himself for, then went to Paris to sell us out to the enemy, while still in the service!

That SOB, can't remember his name ... told everyone he was "Irish" ... heard he married two really rich women ... went into politics in Massachusetts, or something.

28 posted on 04/10/2006 1:25:42 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Any legal immigrant who wants to join me as an American, is welcome.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Subjected him to the firing squad, mind you, as, under the Geneva Convention the Germans would have been permitted to kill him for being in a fake uniform.

True enough that he took a chance of summary execution if captured, but the Geneva Convention was not strictly followed on either side during the war, especially regarding snipers and particularly on the Nazi side. If the guy was up against SS, the fact that he disguised himself in a German uniform would have made no difference. He could have been a sniper, or a medic and the SS would have killed him regardless. The SS seldom took prisoners.

What these pinheads have to answer in how many lives this man saved by eliminating multiple Nazi snipers.

29 posted on 04/10/2006 1:26:09 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: okie01

BTW I should stress that "It's just like Canada" refers to Canada's lefties and not their marvellous conservatives lest I incur the wraths of the Canadian squads once again LOL. There is no doubt they are more numerous than conservatives.


30 posted on 04/10/2006 1:27:09 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: Keith
One of the plans under 'Operation Foxley' which was the British scheme to kill Hitler envisioned using SAS wearing German uniforms infiltrating the Fuhrers command post and shooting him and any other high ranking Nazi or Whermacht officer they could. Another war crime I suppose. These people are truly crazy but it shows how weak we in the west have become and why a bunch of Arab goat-f*ckers are a real menace to the west and us in particular.

There is a long way down fro the first JFK to John F Kerry. JFK may have been a bit of a charlatan but Kerry is a coward and scammer all the time.
31 posted on 04/10/2006 1:27:18 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: NZerFromHK

Have you visited the museum at the Waiouru ranges?

It's well worth it. History right back to the Maori Wars. Ooops, perhaps I shudn't mention those Wars....:-)

I served with real Kiwis here and there from '65 in Borneo to '69 on Bersatu Padu n still keep in touch. Mine's a Speights.


32 posted on 04/10/2006 1:30:44 PM PDT by 5050 no line
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To: Ditto

Like I said, smart (albeit slightly more risky).


33 posted on 04/10/2006 1:31:31 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: MeanWestTexan
Heck, everyone in the Army and Marines should read the book.

Sounds like it might be a good guide for coming out on the winning side
when you are surrounded and outnumbered!

Especially when the opponent is a gang of thugs that used the "false flag"
of a country's military uniform.
34 posted on 04/10/2006 1:34:17 PM PDT by VOA
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To: MeanWestTexan

Ditto from me on everything you posted.

Now lets see, running around, not in any uniform, shooting at soldiers and get picked up. Maybe we should get back to the letter of the law and start shooting the terrorists our forces pick up in Iraq?


35 posted on 04/10/2006 1:36:19 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: 5050 no line

What these idiots wrote is beyond ignorance, it is criminal defamation of a war hero. It's no longer enough that New Zealand refuses to stand with the rest of the major English-speaking nations in fighting against fascism and tyranny, they now feel the need to defame their own war heroes???


36 posted on 04/10/2006 1:39:51 PM PDT by colorado tanker (We need more "chicken-bleep Democrats" in the Senate!)
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To: 5050 no line

Oh yes they are talked in school curricula. I think it is just one of the few NZ history topics that every school teaches. Not surprisingly it is all oppression by the Pakeha (Euroepan) settlers on Maori yada yada.

If my memory is correct, there was no formal separate New Zealand armed forces until WWII, right? Most soldiers before 1941 would have served as British military. (The Statute of Westminster wasn't ratified until 1947 and before that, NZ was formally speaking, still a dependency of Britain)


37 posted on 04/10/2006 1:39:58 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: 5050 no line
Peter Wills, the deputy director of the Centre for Peace Studies at Auckland University, said Sgt Hulme's actions were "unsanctioned murder".

How quickly the ones who have never sacrificed for the freedoms they enjoy forget who earned it for them.

38 posted on 04/10/2006 1:44:11 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We must act today in order to preserve tomorrow......R.R)
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To: 5050 no line

"Hulme deserved the VC for his outstanding bravery, but he shouldn't have done what he did in disguising himself."

Hi, I'm a 13 year old girl hot to the touch, who wants to touch me? (Actually, I'm a dirty old government employee with a cruddy job and a boss who smokes crack)


39 posted on 04/10/2006 1:44:16 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: NZerFromHK
If my memory is correct, there was no formal separate New Zealand armed forces until WWII, right? Most soldiers before 1941 would have served as British military.

I believe you are correct. And I'm about to get in trouble with the Brits, just as you're in trouble with the Canucks.

The British campaigns of WWII in the Mediterranean, from Greece to Crete to El Alamein, seemed to shed an awful lot of Anzac and Indian blood. The Australian, New Zealand and Indian divisions seemed to bear a wholly disproportionate share of the fighting. Similarly, it was the Canadians who were sacrificed at Dieppe.

I've come to believe that the bloodbaths at Ypres and the Somme in WWI caused Imperial General Staff to be very cautious in its commitment of British troops in WWII.

In retrospect, one can understand the motivation, even as one declaims it.

40 posted on 04/10/2006 1:52:31 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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