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1999 Document Chemical Platoons Applied Training In Chemical Lab to Detect Nerve Agents, VX Agents..
Pentagon/FMSO Iraq Pre-war documents. ^ | April 10 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 04/10/2006 11:17:03 AM PDT by jveritas

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Some will say that this may only small quantity of Chemical Weapons Agents to be used to train their Chemical platoon and it is not an indication of large stocks of Chemical weapons. I think that is wrong first because the mere existence of these Chemical Weapons agent, regardless of its quantity, was totally prohibited for Saddam regime to us. Second, I read hundred of pages of Al Qadysia documents and I concluded that the Iraqis were obsessed with Chemical training for their Chemical platoons and their troops. Why that obsession if they did not have the intention to produce Chemical weapons.
1 posted on 04/10/2006 11:17:06 AM PDT by jveritas
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To: eyespysomething

Saddam Chemical Weapons training.


2 posted on 04/10/2006 11:17:55 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

I'm surprised anthrax isn't listed here. Thanks for the hard work, jveritas!


3 posted on 04/10/2006 11:20:16 AM PDT by Peach
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I believe critics would answer your question by stating that the training was defensive in nature because they expected an enemy to use the weapons against their own troops.

Was there anything in the documents to point towards protecting their own troops from the effect of their own use of those weapons?


4 posted on 04/10/2006 11:22:49 AM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: Peach

Anthrax will fall under the Biological Weapons Programs.


5 posted on 04/10/2006 11:22:56 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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Oh, thanks for that explanation, jveritas. I never can keep the diff. between chemical and biological straight.


6 posted on 04/10/2006 11:23:29 AM PDT by Peach
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They also had chemical warfare training classes at Habaniyah and I'll bet you can guess why I know this as a fact with no uncertainty.


7 posted on 04/10/2006 11:25:37 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: saganite

Training documents THAT I HAVE SEEN showed how to deploy chemical weapons.


8 posted on 04/10/2006 11:26:38 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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Sure they were telling the troops that this was for defensive purposes but every army in the world will claim the same. In fact I read the Chemical training program of the year 1989 and the Iraqis were telling their troops that this training is for defensive purposes against an attack from Israel or Iran, when we know for fact that during this period of time the Iraqis used Chemical Weapons to attack Iranians and Kurds, in fact they have used Chemical Weapons more than any other army in history of warfare.

Please keep in mind that Iraq was absolutely prohibited from having any Chemical Weapons Agents no matter how small the quantity is and no matter whether it was for defensive or offensive purposes.

9 posted on 04/10/2006 11:28:11 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: saganite

Key word here are "in the laboratory". If there were no active WMD programs why would they be worried about "laboratories"?


10 posted on 04/10/2006 11:28:31 AM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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Training documents THAT I HAVE SEEN showed how to deploy chemical weapons.

What language were those in?

11 posted on 04/10/2006 11:30:47 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Arabic. But the pictures didn't need translation.


12 posted on 04/10/2006 11:33:30 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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Second, I read hundred of pages of Al Qadysia documents and I concluded that the Iraqis were obsessed with Chemical training for their Chemical platoons and their troops. Why that obsession if they did not have the intention to produce Chemical weapons.

What kind of "chemical training" were they obsessed about? I mean, the U.S. military has chemical platoons and conducts chemical training even though we no longer plan to use them ourselves. I can't recall the number of times I had to go into the ol' gas chamber to swallow my fill of CS. So I guess the question is whether the training you describe is for protection/detection/decontamination, or for delivery.

I'm not saying that I disagree with your overall conclusion, because I don't. I just want to make sure we don't overstate the case in a few instances, because we know the MSM will focus on those few overstatements as a way to discredit what otherwise is a valid conclusion.

13 posted on 04/10/2006 11:34:50 AM PDT by XJarhead
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“The Practical (Applied) Training Schedule”

This appears to be the key to me. While it's true that chemical units do decontamination work, that is not all that this says.

A "practical training schedule" means that they are going ou to do some actual detecting. To do actual detecting, they must have the chemicals on hand for the troops to practice on.

That means, at a minimum, that they had small quantitities for training their troops.

Such small quantities would be deadly in the hands of a terrorist delivery system.

(T6 will correct me if I'm wrong.)

14 posted on 04/10/2006 11:35:04 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: jveritas

I wasn't questioning your contention that they weren't allowed any chemical weapons nor was I questioning your statement that this is a violation, just your statement that practicing with these weapons implied an offensive intent.

You're doing great work! Thanks for your efforts.


15 posted on 04/10/2006 11:35:22 AM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: XJarhead

They do training tournament every three months or so and each tournament last for three to four weeks. That is a lot of training for a country that is supposed not to have anything related to Chemical Warfare.


16 posted on 04/10/2006 11:37:11 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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That is absolutely correct XZINS. The Applied training means exactly that they were physically detecting these Chemical Weapon Agents since they do have “Theoretical training” as well where they prepare their troops to do the “Applied Training” with real Chemical Weapon Agent.


17 posted on 04/10/2006 11:40:04 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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I haven't looked at this in detail, but this could well be defensive in nature. In other words, training to detect chemical agents dispersed by an enemy (e.g., Iran or the US). Can you point me to a clearly offensive training operation?


18 posted on 04/10/2006 11:40:50 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Wristpin

Exactly right.


19 posted on 04/10/2006 11:41:51 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas; Chena; Valin; M. Thatcher; DocRock; Calpernia; Madame Dufarge; Txsleuth; Peach; ...
Thank jveritas!

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20 posted on 04/10/2006 11:43:50 AM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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