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Controversial TABC Arrests Result Of Funding Increase(Arrests INSIDE bars)
NBC5i.com ^ | 4/10/06

Posted on 04/10/2006 11:00:12 AM PDT by texas_mrs

Many North Texans are complaining about a controversial program during in which state officials arrest people inside bars in order to crack down on public intoxication.

The program began years ago, but during the most recent legislative session, the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission asked for and received more money to ramp up the operation.

As a result, the TABC hired 100 agents to travel from bar to bar looking for drunk people who could pose a danger in an agent's opinion.

TABC officials said the program is proactive policing to cut back on drunken driving, but those arrested said it is unfair to arrest someone inside of a bar.

In the wake of the arrests, NBC 5 has received several calls and e-mails complaining about the program.

One bar owner, who asked NBC 5 not to use his name for fear of retaliation by the TABC, said those arrested were not causing a disturbance.

"I can understand if we had somebody laying in a booth and they were basically passed out and drunk, I could understand for them to go in with the flashlights and take them out of the booth and arrest them, but these people were standing and doing fine," he said.

TABC officials said they have no plans to change the program.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: abuseofpower; alcohol; atf; donutwatch; followthemoney; nannystate; tabc; texas
I can understand they want to stop drunk driving, but this is taking it too far. Out here in the rural areas, TABC recently went out to a private landowners ranch and arrested everyone there for drunk in public. No one was allowed the standard sobriety test on the scene. In another case, TABC actually went into the rented hotel rooms of customers and arrested them there for drinking after midnight. Why can't these guys be put on the border where they might be useful? Or go after pedophiles?
1 posted on 04/10/2006 11:00:17 AM PDT by texas_mrs
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To: texas_mrs

It amounts to over a million dollars in potential fines as well.

There were camera crews outside of the Dallas bar bust just like they news crews outside of the Waco compound when the ATF was looking to justify their budget.


2 posted on 04/10/2006 11:02:34 AM PDT by weegee ("CBS NEWS? Is that show still on?" - freedomson)
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To: texas_mrs
Our schools are in disarray and they receive more money to blow it this way?
3 posted on 04/10/2006 11:03:36 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: texas_mrs

Follow the money. They are more likely to get fines (and further funding) with this type of sting.


4 posted on 04/10/2006 11:03:50 AM PDT by weegee ("CBS NEWS? Is that show still on?" - freedomson)
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To: texas_mrs

It's an outgrowth of the concept that the government should control what adults consume in the privacy of their own home.


5 posted on 04/10/2006 11:06:01 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: weegee

Exactly. You might win it in a fight, but pay far less by caving and paying the fine.


6 posted on 04/10/2006 11:07:58 AM PDT by texas_mrs (Immigrants made this country great - Illegal immigrants are now destroying it)
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To: weegee

This is scary. How the hell can they come onto your property and arrest you for drinking???

You know, this is what the left is afraid of when they fear the Patriot Act. And, believe it or not, sometimes I can't blame them. It has been my experience by having police in the family and as friends that when cops get too much power, they abuse it. I bet you no police officers were arrested or these guys didn't go into known cop bar hang outs.

This is a disgrace.


7 posted on 04/10/2006 11:16:24 AM PDT by Londo Molari
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To: texas_mrs

What's worse, in Texas the law against public intoxication does not require a sobriety test of any kind, no breathalyzer, no blood test. It's all based on the subjective opinion of the arresting officer.

In the cases where the TV camera's were watching, field sobriety tests were given and a few people were let go after onviously passing the test. But most of these raids have occured in small towns without camera's watching. Many of those arrested claim they weren't even given a filed sobriety test.

Welcome to the USA - formerly the land of the free!


8 posted on 04/10/2006 11:17:12 AM PDT by The Lumster (USA - where the innocent have nothing to fear!)
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To: weegee
There were camera crews outside of the Dallas bar

Odd that the TABC does not hang out around the fraternity houses on weekend nights. Could you imagine how many busts they could do there? Just follow the vomit trails and arrest who you find at the end of it.
9 posted on 04/10/2006 11:18:18 AM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: texas_mrs

Sounds like an agency in desperate need of a funding cut. I remember cringing when Clinton vowed to put 100,000 LEOs on the highways, because I knew they would mostly be handing out tickets. The roads are just crawling with cops since 1998 or so. At least in Indiana, that's how it's been. You can't drive to the mailbox without getting zapped by a radar.


10 posted on 04/10/2006 11:19:42 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: texas_mrs

This is an obvious abuse of the spirit of the law.

Here in the People's Republic of New Jersey, they have a law where you cannot be within 500 or 1000 feet of a park with drugs or you get mandatory jail time (I believe it is 3 years). Understandable, right? Don't want these scumbags to sell to kids.

Well, a few years ago this 20 year old guy was driving his car along a 2 lane highway and was pulled over for a minor traffic violation. He is sober and fine, but the cop noticed a small bag of pot. Suddenly, the 20 year old was arrested and the cop applied that law because there was an old railroad right-of-way turned into a bike trail that came within 500 feet of portions of the highway. What the hell was that for??? So now this stoner gets to go to state-pound-you-in-the-ass prison to learn how to become a real hardened criminal. Misapplication of the spirit of the law? I think so.


11 posted on 04/10/2006 11:32:28 AM PDT by Londo Molari
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To: texas_mrs
This is what happens when a police agency has too narrow of a focus. They get overzealous and keep trying to expand their reach. We see the same problem with BATF.

In most states the liquor agency sets rules and issues (and revokes) permits, leaving enforcement up to the local police.

-Eric

12 posted on 04/10/2006 11:32:42 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: The Lumster
In Dallas there was no breathalyzer administered (even when the accused asked for it).

Mike Gallagher had an interview with a businessman who was arrested for drinking 5 beers in his hotel's bar. He was the one who mentioned the film crews outside.

An earlier discussion I read about this said that the police had the ability to arrest you in the bar for being "in public" but actually the police tilt the case in their favor by asking the suspect to "step outside a minute" in which there can be no doubt that they are "in public".
13 posted on 04/10/2006 11:59:11 AM PDT by weegee ("CBS NEWS? Is that show still on?" - freedomson)
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To: Londo Molari

In some areas of Texas (especially North) there are dry counties. You can still privately drink (or drink at a bar/restaurant if you purchase a "club" membership).

Don't know if that may be a factor.

In Boston, a woman was arrested for public intoxication riding home in the back of a taxi that was stopped for some traffic infraction.


14 posted on 04/10/2006 12:01:58 PM PDT by weegee ("CBS NEWS? Is that show still on?" - freedomson)
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To: texas_mrs
Why can't these guys be put on the border where they might be useful? Or go after pedophiles?>/I>

No revenue in that. Plus, controlling the citizens is somehow more fun than controlling the aliens.

15 posted on 04/10/2006 12:12:09 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: E Rocc
They get overzealous and keep trying to expand their reach.

Cops need war stories. The more, the better. It's all their intellect can muster, apparently. No arrests -- no war stories. Nothing to talk about amongst themselves. No way to look exceedingly cool to the women who thrive on them. It's their life.

16 posted on 04/10/2006 12:18:44 PM PDT by Glenn (There is a looming Tupperware shortage. Plan appropriately.)
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To: weegee
In Dallas there was no breathalyzer administered (even when the accused asked for it).

On Fox the other day the interviewer asked the TABC representative how you can tell they are drunk without a test, if you are simply in the bar observing. She answered if they are 'stumbling or talking too loudly. Heck, I know many people that would qualify on that one without ANY drinking! What the heck is too loudly? Inside a bar?!?
17 posted on 04/10/2006 12:20:24 PM PDT by texas_mrs (Immigrants made this country great - Illegal immigrants are now destroying it)
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To: texas_mrs

The quiet drunk who stares in his beer may be downing more than those in a group.


18 posted on 04/10/2006 12:44:51 PM PDT by weegee ("CBS NEWS? Is that show still on?" - freedomson)
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To: texas_mrs

They can't find and arrest a 1/2 million illegal aliens marching in downtown Dallas, but they can go out and arrest citizens downing a few beers at the local bar trying to forget that their government is impotent to deal with massive public law breaking? Makes you want to go get drunk. /sarcasm


19 posted on 04/10/2006 1:05:19 PM PDT by anymouse
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