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To: XJarhead

That's a fact.

What rubs me wrong are these dorks who try to justify the actions of Schroeder/Fischer/Chirac/Vilipien and others.

There are many Germans especially who are good people. But nonetheless, they put American lives at risk with their GAMES. And believe me they were political GAMES which had little to do with right and wrong.

The German today would not flinch if Iran threatens them to demand NATO protect them. He takes it for granted that US Navy ships secure the water ways off the coast of East Africa. It hardly makes news when we sink one pirate ship after another. It's kind of an awful situation if you think about it. The French are bottom feeders and their perspective is one that is near adversarial with the US. But Germany playing this game was unexpected and highly disappointing. In the end, they will be the losers in the bigger picture. But it’s truly sad to have watched the situation unravel the way it did in 2002-2003. What is amazing is that the German is not really aware of “what” his state did. He’s for the most part indifferent and apathetic, even hostile to the idea that maybe they “backstabbed” an ally.

Germany’s actions were unexpected and disappointing. France can be expected to act that way. Fortunately they at least today don’t play those games. Under Merkel we can expect a more realist approach to problems like Iran (Even there Schroeder took pot shots at us on his way out the door, but of course he had NO solutions or better ideas himself). Merkel will be an ally as much as she can be, given a nation that has some anti-American under tones, a hyper sensitive new concept of sovereignty, is very socialist and green in thinking. She will back us since she knows she’s actually acting in her own best national interests! Something the German does not understand, just like they don’t understand that they backstabbed us. They don’t understand the need for those CIA flights, an issue quickly brushed aside now and not talked much about by Merkel. She can’t change the masses perception on many things, but she can be expected to be very rational in her decision making. If need be, she will even take the “heat” as with the CIA flights. Are these activities to her own nations best interests? You bet! But Schroeder might have even played the anti-American card in the media and jeopardized this program had he still been in office. He was a scumbag.

You can’t blame all Germans. Many are good people. I just attack those jerks who defend the behavior of Schroeder, Fischer, Tritin and others. Doing wrong unknowingly is bad. Doing wrong fully knowing it is wrong just to profiteer off the situation as Schroeder did; playing these games when the stakes put human lives at risk as with Iraq and Iran places this person into a category with scum. He may have a nice suite, pretty dyed and combed hair, a good voice and sincere looking face, but he’s nothing more than scum.

Time will tell-

Those non-existent WMD will reemerge in Syria eventually. Schroeder took a job from a Russian state owned energy giant. Iraq is beginning to congeal. In 20 years people will look back and just like nuclear deterrence take it for granted that this was the right course of action. Few will give Reagan credit as few in 20 years will give Bush credit, but nonetheless it will just be a matter of fact that it was the right thing to do after all. The GWOT just like nuclear deterrence will be seen as necessary and correct. Iraq will eventually go down in history as a battlefield in the much larger campaign to change the whole Middle East on its head and make it less threatening.

The Germans will in 20 years not look back and consider themselves as backstabbers. Just like they don’t consider themselves as stupid for standing in front of US war equipment protesting against the Lance, Pershing and other nukes stationed in Germany years ago.


82 posted on 04/10/2006 1:16:05 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6

You're right. By the end, when they knew we were going in, the only logical explanation for their contineud public opposition was a desire to see us fail. And I think the French, at least, are disappointed that we haven't.


85 posted on 04/10/2006 1:38:41 PM PDT by XJarhead
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