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Ordinarily, I hate Cynthia's rantings, BUT . . . this makes a lot more sense to me than most of what I've read about illegal immigration, particularly the notion that we could solve the problem by building walls and/or requiring people here for a couple of years to step back over the border before getting amnesty.
1 posted on 04/09/2006 5:56:31 AM PDT by madprof98
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For the first time, she's said something that makes complete sense. Unfortunately, the Democratic Party is as much beholden to the illegal alien lobby as the GOP.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

2 posted on 04/09/2006 5:58:29 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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That's because it doesn't want to solve the problem. Your political leaders like to rant about the broken immigration system, but they have no intention of fixing it.

Who could possibly argue with that.

3 posted on 04/09/2006 5:59:15 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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A rare moment of sanity from Ms Tucker.

Now if we could just get our Republican leaders to admit this.


4 posted on 04/09/2006 6:02:13 AM PDT by WayneM
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These must be the end times...I've agreed with Cynthia Tucker twice in one week.


5 posted on 04/09/2006 6:02:33 AM PDT by Sender (As water has no constant form, there are in war no constant conditions. Be without form. -Sun Tzu)
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All they would have to do is require U.S. employers to check the legal status of all employees

And how do you suggest that we do that? The only sure way is to have all American citizens finger printed and check the prints of all potential hires against a data base.

Anything else is going to have holes big enough to drive a truck through just like it does now.

You make the requirements too onerous and you are going to dry up the summer help jobs for teens even worse then you have already.

6 posted on 04/09/2006 6:06:21 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Sign up to donate monthly and you will be automatically entered in our "Win a Bear Hug Contest")
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I'm afraid that while she actually does make sense here, her proposals are still colored by fatal naivete. If all you need to work here are legal papers, all that will do is get a lot of counterfeit papers made.


7 posted on 04/09/2006 6:07:26 AM PDT by thoughtomator (A nation that cannot or will not control its borders is not a nation at all)
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She's 100% right on this one. This problem would be self correcting if the government would simply put teeth into the laws. No employer wants to lose his business no matter how cheap illegal labor is. Without willing employers, illegals would have no incentive to come to the US, unless they really wanted to accept the values and ideals of this country.


9 posted on 04/09/2006 6:12:43 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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My best recollection; feel free to add/correct if you have access to the transcript:
On Rush, a week or so ago, a guy called in and said he was a neighbor of Rush (i.e. Palm Beach, multi-million dollar mansion, sort of "Hey Rush, I'm rich too!", etc.). Then he proceeds to tell how the loss of cheap migrant labor would hurt his business. A short time later another Rush caller refers to the "rich" caller and suggests that maybe, if the rich guy paid a little more for his labor, he might not have the Palm Beach mansion, but the rich guy not having a mansion wasn't sufficient rationale for our migrant policies.


11 posted on 04/09/2006 6:15:40 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet
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��5{��������y educated black men don't have oily platoons of lobbyists looking after their interests.</i>

Oily? Al Sharpton. Platoon? Louis Farrakhan. And I'm sure Jesse's up in there, somewhere. But they're oddly silent. I suspect they're rather pleased at the "revolutionary" aspect of having tens of millions of people who'll eventually be able to vote, and vote Democrat.


12 posted on 04/09/2006 6:17:01 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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Big Business grows fat from illegal workers [Cynthia Tucker]

And everybody's going to fall for this recycled opportunistic agit-prop.

16 posted on 04/09/2006 6:23:47 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (blah)
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I think she overplays the benefits for middle class Americans. A few dollars saved on services can't compare to the billions lost in education/medical/penitentiary costs.

I'm unfamiliar with her work but can get a feel for what a lefty wacko she is from this line:

But poorly educated black men don't have oily platoons of lobbyists looking after their interests.

Poorly educated black men? With our public schools in the year 2006? I know public schools suck, but everyone has access to them, plus to libraries, so anyone who is "poorly educated" just doesn't want to be educated.

Plus the fact she also called the illegal work force "poorly educated". I detect a "poor me" race hustler, though like everyone else I agree she's more correct than incorrect in this one article.
22 posted on 04/09/2006 6:30:00 AM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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All they would have to do is require U.S. employers to check the legal status of all employees and impose stiff sanctions

I used to be sympathetic to this position, but no more. Not after last week. If the US "Government" doesn't care enough about illegals to enforce existing laws, why should the private sector have to do it? Dereliction of duty by the "government" does not impose an obligation on private citizens.

"The private sector doing the jobs that the 'government' won't do..." Sound familiar? These guys have only one key on their piano. And its a flat note.

27 posted on 04/09/2006 6:32:37 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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send in your pictures of illegals loitering in your home town.


29 posted on 04/09/2006 6:34:42 AM PDT by jetson (throne)
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After a few executives had done the perp walk, others would get the message.

Whaddya bet Cynthia's got a Nanny problem?

30 posted on 04/09/2006 6:35:25 AM PDT by sauropod ("War is the Devil's way of teaching Americans geography" - Ambrose Bierce)
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Congress could also appropriate money for a nationwide computer system that would allow all employers to get instant verification of a worker's Social Security number and then require all employers to use it.

No thank you. This would be too easy to abuse.

31 posted on 04/09/2006 6:36:41 AM PDT by sauropod ("War is the Devil's way of teaching Americans geography" - Ambrose Bierce)
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Congress could also appropriate money for a nationwide computer system that would allow all employers to get instant verification of a worker's Social Security number and then require all employers to use it.

The government has done this, sorta. It called the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) Program. Have a look. It's been a pilot program for some time.

32 posted on 04/09/2006 6:37:30 AM PDT by upchuck (Wikipedia.com - the most unbelievable web site in the world.)
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But by law, Social Security is forbidden from forwarding the names of those companies to Homeland Security. That law could be changed in a heartbeat, but Congress hasn't done it.

BINGO!!

Mark my words, the illegals will be suing for reparations in the future. Our government took all the money they paid in, and some leftist judge is going to give it all back to them in spades.

33 posted on 04/09/2006 6:38:15 AM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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Whoa... hold on. Before cheering for this known racist, commie and poverty pimp (yes I'm being redundant). There's one teeny weeny thing wrong with her whole premise:
All they would have to do is require U.S. employers to check the legal status of all employees and impose stiff sanctions — including multimillion-dollar fines and prison time — on employers who flout the law.

After a few executives had done the perp walk, others would get the message. Illegal hiring would drop precipitously. Since the vast majority of illegal immigrants come to this country to work, many of them would leave if they couldn't get hired.

~~snip~~ The Social Security Administration is able to identify companies that routinely employ large numbers of workers using fake numbers. But by law, Social Security is forbidden from forwarding the names of those companies to Homeland Security. That law could be changed in a heartbeat, but Congress hasn't done it.

Congress could also appropriate money for a nationwide computer system that would allow all employers to get instant verification of a worker's Social Security number and then require all employers to use it.

Sounds nice, but it's a red herring and Cynthia knows it.

Do to people LIKE her and her ilk (the Dems), the DOJ, OUR DOJ, has a Special Division FOR 'Immigrant' Employment Rights. This division PROSECUTES employers who refuse to hire and/or fire 'immigrants' with dubious looking, aka phony, documents. They even WARN employers that just because an I-9 form or the SSA says there's no such person. That is NOT cause to deny any immigrant a job OR to fire them. This Division works in conjunction with the EEOC and the Dept of Labor.

Last year when HR4437 was being written, and if you will recall was also being discussed in the Senate for the first time, one proposal was to offer IMMUNITY from Federal Prosecution from this 'special division' and the wrath of the EEOC and the Dept of Labor to employers who accidently fired or did not hire an 'immigrant' who is here legally, but had dubious ID. The Dems had a collective fit, would have NO part of that and it went nowhere and as such was not part of the House Bill.

So therin lies the problem.

One hand we want and scream to punish the employer YET the Gubmint warns him he better NOT deny any immigrant a job - or 'else'. And the Senate sure isn't talking about any employer immunity in any of their current amnesty proposals, oops... guest worker Bills. So as long as this special 'immigrant' division exists, the whole thing is a joke.

An aside, last year on this DOJ website the head of this divsion was a Mexican, picture and all. Now the DOJ no longer has that person's name listed. Gee, I wonder why?

37 posted on 04/09/2006 6:40:33 AM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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Cynthia Tucker tells the unorthodox truth, and then covers herself with her Liberal Democratic friends by repeatedly smearing Congressman Tom Tancredo. These are the compromises you must make to remain an MSM wh-re with an urge to tell the truth


42 posted on 04/09/2006 6:51:04 AM PDT by lfod1776
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Cynthia's right about big business, but Tom Tancredo's anything but a minor league congressman.


45 posted on 04/09/2006 6:52:26 AM PDT by hershey
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