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To: Quark2005; aimhigh
I've got to go with Quark on this one. I don't think that verse is about evolution at all, but rather about the Anti-Christ.

To the contrary, what scripture says about evolution is that the truth of creation should be obvious to anybody and everybody and has been understood since the beginning. I get the impression from scripture that evolution is NOT a strong delusion but an incredibily weak delusion and that only a very rebellious people would fall for it.

Now having said that, I know that there are Christians out there who believe in both evolution and special creation of man. I don't see how they reconcile scripture with that, but in their minds they do. Here's the first half of that chapter...

2 Thes 1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

5Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

What's actually said about evolution....

2 Peter 3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

"everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation" is a pretty good description of uniformitarianism and the evo's devotion to naturalism.

verses 5 & 6 says that this view will cause them to forget that God created the heavens and the earth and destroyed it once by water. Which is the end result of that view, evo's deny special creation of man and animals and completely deny the flood.

89 posted on 04/08/2006 11:25:51 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
I know that there are Christians out there who believe in both evolution and special creation of man. I don't see how they reconcile scripture with that, but in their minds they do.

I am close to what you describe. I think mankind probably evolved, and I think the evidence for it is pretty strong. I also think the evidence for short term creationism is pretty weak. But I don't "believe" in either thing. I believe in Christ.

As for reconciling evolution to scripture, there are many scriptures that I do not get, and some I may misunderstand. Perhaps the story of creation in Genesis was literal, and the short term creationists are right. I think it is probably allegorical though. Even the genealogy up to the time of Noah may have been so. Chuck Misler has pointed out there seems to be a message in the meanings of the names:

Adam (man) Seth (appointed) Enosh (mortal) Kenan (sorrow) Mahalalel (the blessed God) Jared (shall come down) Enoch (teaching) Methuselah (his death shall bring) Lamech (the despairing) Noah (rest/comfort).

As for 2 Peter 5, 6, I am starting to see your point more and more as I find irrational contempt for Christianity on these threads. To be fair though, I do not think all the Darwinists have such contempt. Its probably a little bit self selecting. The ones with contempt for Christians are the ones more likely to get into arguments with us.

95 posted on 04/09/2006 12:31:51 AM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: DannyTN
To the contrary, what scripture says about evolution is that the truth of creation should be obvious to anybody and everybody and has been understood since the beginning.

I don't see where evolution contradicts the truth of creation. Many people certainly throw that slant on it, but I don't see how trying to understand the mechanisms through which God works somehow blocks out His creative power. If anything, it just shows how infinitely intelligent He really is.

I get the impression from scripture that evolution is NOT a strong delusion but an incredibily weak delusion and that only a very rebellious people would fall for it.

The (nearly 100%) of biological scientists that "fall" for it are all rebellious people? I would encourage you to learn more about ERV insertions, ring species, island & continent biogeography, HOX genes, fossil stratification, radiometry, studies of mutation rates, etc. before making such a blanket statement. There is a lot of knowledge on this subject, and these people know what they're talking about; evolution is about putting together a coherent picture of biological evidence, not rejecting God.

Science is not perfect, but it is by far the most perfect method of acquisition of knowledge known to man.

156 posted on 04/09/2006 9:06:43 AM PDT by Quark2005 (Confidence follows from consilience.)
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