Posted on 04/08/2006 10:50:29 AM PDT by OregonRancher
"Traditional "bunker busters" are streamlined bombs that rely on sheer weight to force their way through soil, rock or concrete. But the new design has a blunt nose that forces the earth ahead of it out to the sides, creating a cavity the bomb can easily slide through, allowing it to reach much deeper buried structures than conventional bunker busters."
(Excerpt) Read more at defensetech.org ...
Seems to me that this kind of information aids and abets the enemy in time of war.
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Nobody seems interested in the HOT ROD idea, why? This Bunker Busting Missile concept is a magnesium/oxidizer mix, it burns a vertical hole down, down, down to the deep bunker like an arc welder's cutting rod; rather than crudely(and stupidly)blasting a whole crater of dirt out of the way. The HOT ROD takes out the DEEP bunker with a minimum of surface damage and 5000 deg F hot tip. But our military doesn't listen to advanced ideas like this, "military intelligence" is an oxymoron, yes? But perhaps others will take note of this idea...
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Hot Rod? links?
Links? No, just e-mail waynepowell25@hotmail.com and I'll tell you all about it. The idea came to me upon reading a popular science article on using nucs as bunker busters, a silly idea from the unimaginative military if there ever was one, there HAS to be a more intelligent way to take out deep bunkers whether they be iranian or russian, whoever the enemy is. You know about arc welding cutting rods, yes? They have a hot tip that simply melts a hole right through the steel plate. Electricians have a similar "hot rod" that burns holes through a solid concrete wall so as to run conduits through it. So, magnesium with oxidizer burns at about 5000 deg F, hot enough to burn right through soil/rock. So, long missile(telephone pole)dives into surface and starts burning down, down, down by simple gravity. It could be a cruise missile or "pearls on a string" : kicked out bomb bay door as box of stacked cylinders, then central string(s)tension-pull it into a long, linear missile in free fall, tail section has parasail/gyros/mini-rocket thrusters for precise hit as per GPS. It actually SAVES lives in that it only goes after the deep bunker w/o wiping out ground troops with surface blasts....Instead of the russian mentality of attacking all problems with a sledge hammer, this is a HOT ROD as a lasar scalpel. The idea relates somewhat to destroyers, depth charges and submarines...
I'm very familiar with most of the high temp cutting systems.
Your idea has merit if you have enough time to do it. With a lot of angry and armed ragheads trying to stop you, I really don't think it would work.
Did you ever see the 1981 movie, Thief, with James Caen? He use's a hollow carbon rod which blows O2 to the tip. Very similar to a oxygen lance with one difference, the carbon lance is employed as an electric arc cutting lance and with the oxygen, will burn through anything.
In the mid 60's, there were two bank robberies in southern CA that used this method; the robbers were never caught and the vaults were destroyed... It was kept pretty quiet and right after that, it became almost impossible to find any hollow carbon rods on the market. I spent some time with two guys from the FBI answering a lot of questions.
Yea theres an easier way, land some airborne units on top of it.
Either way theres no way the Iranians built nuclear reactors and centrefugal enrichment facilities in enforced bunkers.
Questioned as one of the suspects? (pun) Really though, there are plenty of munitions that will clear the ground area, like the daisy cutter, thus taking many a foolish iranian's life, but that's sad to me. We only want to take away their nuc "toys", leaving as many iranians ALIVE so as to GROW UP and understand the errors of their childish ways. With modern high tech/robotic warfare the mano-a-mano days, ie, airborne troops, are all but over; and that's where we have the edge. Once you've controlled the airspace over iran(any enemy territory)and demonstrated the effectiveness of the HOT ROD, bunkers are then turned from hidey holes to targeted death traps...and thus proving what we say : you can run, but you can't hide...but STOMPING on the ground with crater bombs instead of lasar scalpel HOT RODS says the opposite.
Somewhat disagree, the days of macho monkey, mano-a-mano warfare are fading. To wit, hi-tech warfare won in 3 weeks in iraq but we're still there 3 years later, losing troops and spending billions, and basically getting nowhere. In iran it has to be a "sanitary" hi-tech strike like the 1981 israeli strike on saddam's nuc facility. Break their will by showing our technical superiority and the regime will fall from within. You see, in such a primitive society as iran, run mostly by emotion, if "a mad in jihad" gets his behind kicked by the americans and there is little he can do about it, he's GONE in a day, as a cowardly failure. The movie is LAWRENCE OF ARABIA : Prince Faisal : "The man who brings victory in battle is prized above all other men". And by inference : the man who loses is DIRT buried and forgotten in the sand, such is the macho monkey mentality of the iranians. Thus, as much as I hate war this iranian problem has to be dealt with, as quickly and cleanly as possible.
Why not just name it iranio-nukyaler cavitational defacilitator?
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The name is too target specific, we want a name that is universally feared.
This is more along the lines of Beltway Bandit marketing rather than psyops.
Through geomaterials? At rate?
Uh-huh. Suuuuuuure.
I can only hope so.
One final thought. Correct me if I'm wrong; these are gravity bombs which would limit their terminal velocity. I wonder if someone has thought to put a nice rocket assist to push up the velocity for greater penetration? It could be very high G boost since the firing mechanism is already built to take it. Wonder how deep it could go if it was traveling at Mach 8 at impact?
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