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When did EFF decide to sell out to AlQaida, or were they a captive agent all along.
BFD. This is a big DUH. Clintoon set this up with Britain.
If you have something to hide, you had better encrypt it; NSA is good at breaking encryption.
There is no right to privacy on the internet. ANYONE in the cloud can capture packets and break back emails, conversations in audio and web traffic unless the sessions are wrapped by encryption. NSA and most other countries similar agencies do the same thing, looking for traffic which could indicate coming harm to the citizens.
There is no expectation of privacy on the internet.
The FIBBERS (FBI) have CALEA. What do you think it is?
In the book "The Puzzle Palace", the assertion was made that NSA had a deal with Western Union to read ALL telegrams or wires going overseas.
Sounds like nothing has changed.
I also am not terribly concerned, unless they buy stock based on my emails to my brokers.
What was the name of that movie? Enemy of the State, or something, starring Gene Hackman? It was where they put bugs in all the labor lawyer's clothes, but he finally turned the tables on them by sparking a shoot-out between the mafia and the NSA guys. Prescient perhaps?
Bush, Uranium, Dirty Bomb, Jihad, Allah Akbar, TNT, Rent a van, assassination , NSA, wiretaps, sleeper cell, Al Franken, suicide bomb, vest, Oklahoma City, Waco, revenge, anthrax, virgins, fuse, great celebration, July 4th, detcord, martyr, timer, backpack, subway .....
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That should set off some buzzers some place...
What's the over/under till they kick in my door?
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Just trying to keep the boys at ESCHELON/CARNIVORE/NSA on thier toes ...
Hi, Bobalu. Do you remember the name of the program the gummint used to kick out anything passing through the internet that had one of the 'words of interest' in it?
Most if not all traffic is routed thru to some sort of fed.gov agency in some manner or another. Recall, the fed.gov created the internet.
Internet communications are not private whether it's att bellsouth comcast or aol etc etc.
The magic words are squeamish ossifrage.
"Partnering" with Amerika in 1984
AT&T = Always Tattling and Tattling?
Can you here me now?
If you give FedGov an inch, they'll take a mile. International calls, telegrams, faxes and whatnot have been routinely monitored for ages (See the book "Puzzle Palace"). This shift to a total survellance society will not enhance the freedom of our children one bit. They may well curse us for sitting on the sidelines while their future liberty was traded for the false illusion of security.
The kicker was one set of trunks would go to the East coast( Maryland or Virginia). Probably West Virginia to get Byrd's vote. They would listen in on what ever they pleased without our knowledge. That's how Echelon started. All they need is a fiber leg off the main fiber ring and dial in whatever digital address you have to monitor every stream if info on the fiber. If someone says "bomb", they can trace it in milliseconds.
Digital service has many commercial advantages, but it was pushed so hard ( some went bankrupt trying to keep up) so the government could just dial in on whatever circuit they want to monitor. This is not news. It was big on FR then. It went on through anyway. Trying to put this on Bush is just crazy. Even Republicans voted for it under Clinton to stop domestic terror. They have machines that monitor everything and kick out the key words and phrases that have been mentioned. Then a human decides whether or not to follow up.
If you call in trouble on your line, the person you get could check your line in Texas, St. Louis, or Bombay. The same goes for the Feds. Now they have your digital cell phone( remember the push to get new digital phones?) with GPS in them. They know where you are within 3 feet. When and if we go wireless, it will be the same thing. 1984 is here and has been here for a decade or more. Lets not have ant "hate" speech, shall we!
More info...from Wired online
Whistle-Blower Outs NSA Spy Room
By Ryan Singel| Also by this reporter
11:15 AM Apr, 07, 2006
AT&T provided National Security Agency eavesdroppers with full access to its customers' phone calls, and shunted its customers' internet traffic to data-mining equipment installed in a secret room in its San Francisco switching center, according to a former AT&T worker cooperating in the Electronic Frontier Foundation's lawsuit against the company.
Mark Klein, a retired AT&T communications technician, submitted an affidavit in support of the EFF's lawsuit this week. That class action lawsuit, filed in federal court in San Francisco last January, alleges that AT&T violated federal and state laws by surreptitiously allowing the government to monitor phone and internet communications of AT&T customers without warrants.
On Wednesday, the EFF asked the court to issue an injunction prohibiting AT&T from continuing the alleged wiretapping, and filed a number of documents under seal, including three AT&T documents that purportedly explain how the wiretapping system works.
According to a statement released by Klein's attorney, an NSA agent showed up at the San Francisco switching center in 2002 to interview a management-level technician for a special job. In January 2003, Klein observed a new room being built adjacent to the room housing AT&T's #4ESS switching equipment, which is responsible for routing long distance and international calls.
"I learned that the person whom the NSA interviewed for the secret job was the person working to install equipment in this room," Klein wrote. "The regular technician work force was not allowed in the room."
Klein's job eventually included connecting internet circuits to a splitting cabinet that led to the secret room. During the course of that work, he learned from a co-worker that similar cabinets were being installed in other cities, including Seattle, San Jose, Los Angeles and San Diego.
"While doing my job, I learned that fiber optic cables from the secret room were tapping into the Worldnet (AT&T's internet service) circuits by splitting off a portion of the light signal," Klein wrote.
The split circuits included traffic from peering links connecting to other internet backbone providers, meaning that AT&T was also diverting traffic routed from its network to or from other domestic and international providers, according to Klein's statement.
The secret room also included data-mining equipment called a Narus STA 6400, "known to be used particularly by government intelligence agencies because of its ability to sift through large amounts of data looking for preprogrammed targets," according to Klein's statement.
Narus, whose website touts AT&T as a client, sells software to help internet service providers and telecoms monitor and manage their networks, look for intrusions, and wiretap phone calls as mandated by federal law.
Klein said he came forward because he does not believe that the Bush administration is being truthful about the extent of its extrajudicial monitoring of Americans' communications.
"Despite what we are hearing, and considering the public track record of this administration, I simply do not believe their claims that the NSA's spying program is really limited to foreign communications or is otherwise consistent with the NSA's charter or with FISA," Klein's wrote. "And unlike the controversy over targeted wiretaps of individuals' phone calls, this potential spying appears to be applied wholesale to all sorts of internet communications of countless citizens."
After asking for a preview copy of the documents last week, the government did not object to the EFF filing the paper under seal, although the EFF asked the court Wednesday to make the documents public.
One of the documents is titled "Study Group 3, LGX/Splitter Wiring, San Francisco," and is dated 2002. The others are allegedly a design document instructing technicians how to wire up the taps, and a document that describes the equipment installed in the secret room.
In a letter to the EFF, AT&T objected to the filing of the documents in any manner, saying that they contain sensitive trade secrets and could be "could be used to 'hack' into the AT&T network, compromising its integrity."
According to court rules, AT&T has until Thursday to file a motion to keep the documents sealed. The government could also step in to the case and request that the documents not be made public, or even that the entire lawsuit be barred under the seldom-used State Secrets Privilege.
AT&T spokesman Walt Sharp declined to comment on the allegations, citing a company policy of not commenting on litigation or matters of national security, but did say that "AT&T follows all laws following requests for assistance from government authorities."
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