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The Iraqi WMDs That Slipped Though Our Fingers
Front Page Magazine ^ | 4/6/06 | Jamie Glazov

Posted on 04/07/2006 1:40:03 PM PDT by Paul Ross

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Just typical. Heard about this on Hugh Hewitt who interviewed him a couple weeks ago.
1 posted on 04/07/2006 1:40:06 PM PDT by Paul Ross
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FYI


2 posted on 04/07/2006 1:49:42 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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I've got a bad feeling that someday in the near future we are going to be asking why we didn't go looking for Saddam's WMD instead of sitting around cheering on the DNC's Brokeback Mountaineers as they told us that "Bush lied." Hopefully, there won't be too many Americans glowing in the dark or doing the funky chicken while rolling around on the ground.


3 posted on 04/07/2006 1:51:21 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Sacrificing unity and national identity for "diversity" and "multiculturalism" is a really dumb idea)
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Yeah, I have a bad feeling too.

Now that the SNAFU has been exposed, they could at least try and make sure that the birds haven't flown the coop. Good grief.

4 posted on 04/07/2006 1:55:58 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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So who can be enlisted to give this story wider circulation? This sounds like it might be up Malkin's alley, for starters. It would be better if George Will could run with it.
5 posted on 04/07/2006 2:01:23 PM PDT by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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Bump for later read...thanks


6 posted on 04/07/2006 2:03:26 PM PDT by Txsleuth (~~~~~~FREEPATHON TIME~~~~~~)
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Thanks for the ping.

Not actually a doc ping, but related and important nontheless.

ISG members further told us that WMD searches were being concentrated in northern Iraq, and not southern Iraq.

SNIP

During my intelligence gathering the Iraqis had told us that Saddam concentrated on hiding the WMDs in the southern region because the history of prior UN Weapons Inspections had always concentrated in searches of northern faculties. Searches in southern Iraq had primarily been helicopter flyovers. I have respect for every U.S. member of ISG who served in Iraq, but as an organization, the management was poor.

7 posted on 04/07/2006 2:07:14 PM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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The author needs to get booked on Laura Ingraham, and Bill Bennett's shows. The Pentagon listens to them. Need someone to dent the Beltway's Bubble.

Limbaugh would blow the doors off if he took up the issue...as the White House is glued to his every word. As for columnists, George Will is widely read, but is considered kind of a tired old lion. Robert Novak, though, still has some major-league pull...especially with Rumsfeld [ who likely hasn't even heard of this...the guy is too busy for his own good! ]

Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin would definitely get some buzz going.

8 posted on 04/07/2006 2:13:28 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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Gaubatz: The most accurate intelligence is what is initially obtained by ground intelligence officers. The intelligence myself and other Agents obtained on the ground never reached our President or Congress. The intelligence they eventually received was so diluted and politically scrubbed, that it was often far from the original intelligence we received.

Bureaucracies never change, but some are way more dangerous than others.

It's unbelievable that our intelligence services were operating at the same efficiency level as the Registry of Motor Vehicles.

9 posted on 04/07/2006 2:18:55 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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My concern about Rush is that this story almost seems embarassing to the administration (even if it ultimately does support its position), and that might make him feel uncomfortable. It certainly would be great if he could, but I'm apprehensive.
10 posted on 04/07/2006 2:18:56 PM PDT by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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My concern about Rush is that this story almost seems embarassing to the administration (even if it ultimately does support its position), and that might make him feel uncomfortable. It certainly would be great if he could, but I'm apprehensive.

Let's just do the right thing and let the chips fall where they may. If the evidence confirms his suspected sites as either "hot" or even "recently hot" WMD locations...then a post-mortem can be done trying to sort blame. Most likely political rats STILL in the system such as Joe Wilson and Valerie Pflame.

But if the WMDs are still there, we better not let these elude capture and recovery.

When the concern about "embarassment" (a political concern) gets in the way of getting the job done...we seem to get all sorts of hopelessly destructive things occurring...such as the continued cover-up of Able Danger, letting Sandy Hamburglar off with a slap on the wrist...etc.

Time to be large and take charge.

11 posted on 04/07/2006 2:32:06 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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Frontpage Interview’s guest is Paul (Dave) Gaubatz, a former U.S. Federal Agent (Arabic linguist/counter-terrorist specialist) who was deployed to Iraq at the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom. His mission was to search for WMDs. Four sites he identified were not searched by ISG (Iraq Survey Group) and he has waged a three year battle to get them searched. He is currently the Chief Investigator with the Dallas County Medical Examiner, Dallas, TX. He can be contacted at pdgaubatz@yahoo.com.

But I thought the WHOLE COUNTRY had been searched and there were NO WMD found! /sarc

WHY isn't this man being interviewed on every single media outlet? Is this NOT significant? I am really starting to get teed off on certain conservative mouthpieces, because the only thing they have been talking about, at the expense of all these important finds, is illegal immigration. Yes, it is a very important issue, but EVERY DAY for 3 hours on the radio?

This should be HEADLINE news for pete's sake--at the very least in conservative circles. **banging head against wall**

12 posted on 04/07/2006 2:39:23 PM PDT by Shelayne
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When the concern about "embarassment" (a political concern) gets in the way of getting the job done...we seem to get all sorts of hopelessly destructive things occurring...such as the continued cover-up of Able Danger, letting Sandy Hamburglar off with a slap on the wrist...etc.

It's not MY concern at all. I want to see this story blared from the rooftops. I was just worried that it might be Rush's concern, and that that would prevent him from running with it. But absolutely, if he can be enlisted to do it, that would be great.

13 posted on 04/07/2006 2:42:50 PM PDT by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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Thanks for the ping.

If this is all true which there's no reason to believe it isn't, It leaves an awful lot of questions as to what the heck a lot of people were doing back then in stopping this info from reaching the top.


14 posted on 04/07/2006 2:44:17 PM PDT by jazusamo (Excuse me Helen, I'm answering your first accusation. - President Bush)
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That's what I want to know, too. And further

Gaubatz: The most accurate intelligence is what is initially obtained by ground intelligence officers. The intelligence myself and other Agents obtained on the ground never reached our President or Congress. The intelligence they eventually received was so diluted and politically scrubbed, that it was often far from the original intelligence we received.

And why is the intelligence the TOP officials receive virtually UNRECOGNIZABLE from the original intelligence?? How can it already be "politically scrubbed"?

I think my head is about to explode.

15 posted on 04/07/2006 2:53:10 PM PDT by Shelayne
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Bio-Chemical Weapons & Saddam: A History.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/848341/posts


16 posted on 04/07/2006 2:55:07 PM PDT by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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Suk Ash Shuyakh

if you looked at someone and said this on the subway I daresay you'd have to defend yourself.

17 posted on 04/07/2006 3:23:40 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (blah)
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Related information that bears on document translation...don't trust the Saudi's!:

Initially Saudi officers advised Saddam Hussein would not use WMD during the war, but as the days got closer the Saudi officers were wearing chemical protective equipment as we were. You could see the look of defeat in the Saudis’ eyes. All along they had been saying Saddam would not use WMD, but in their heart they knew he had the capability and would do so if he had the opportunity.

18 posted on 04/07/2006 3:24:19 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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Thanks for the ping; I wish the admin. would make this argument.


19 posted on 04/07/2006 3:35:49 PM PDT by Peach
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Fortunately there are no subways in Minnesota, and I wouldn't be caught dead on our LRT. Likely would get the same response! :-)

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20 posted on 04/07/2006 3:44:32 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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