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Mother not guilty in severed arms case (killed her baby)
AP, via Houston Chronicle ^ | 4/7/06 | JULIA GLICK

Posted on 04/07/2006 10:01:14 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat

McKINNEY -- Dena Schlosser, who was being retried on a capital murder charge for the killing of her 10-month-old daughter by cutting off her arms, was found not guilty by reason of insanity this morning.

Both sides waived closing arguments, and a judge issued the verdict after a brief proceeding. Schlosser, 38, of Plano, is expected to be committed to a state mental hospital for treatment.

Police arrested Schlosser in November 2004 after finding her baby dying in its crib and Schlosser soaked in blood, holding a kitchen knife and listening to a hymn.

Both sides agreed last week to have Judge Chris Oldner decide the case, after a jury deadlocked in February, forcing a mistrial.

The case against her had hinged on whether Schlosser had severe mental problems that kept her from knowing her actions were wrong.

Defense attorneys told the judge last week that Schlosser had a brain tumor that could have caused hallucinations before the killing.

Several psychiatrists testified that Schlosser lost touch with reality, suffered severe mood swings and experienced religious hallucinations and delusions. One doctor said she told him she wanted to cut off her baby's arms and her own limbs and head and give them God.

The defense faulted Schlosser's husband for not getting her adequate mental health treatment and also blamed her preacher, Doyle Davidson, who believes only God can cure mental illness.

The state argued the defense was trying to deflect responsibility from Schlosser. Prosecutors presented a methodical case, focusing on possible inconsistencies and behaviors that might indicate she knew that killing her baby was wrong.

John Schlosser, her husband, has filed for divorce and has custody of the couple's two other daughters.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: insanitylegalflaw; legalloopholes; legalreformneeded
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I cannot understand why after all these years we still do not have a "Guilty, but insane" verdict option. Certainly an insane person may not know what they are doing, but if that is the case they will ALWAYS be a potential threat to others/society. Not arguing for execution, but rather confinement to mental facilities and that they should never be allowed on the streets again.
1 posted on 04/07/2006 10:01:19 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat

If she's sane she should be executed. If she's insane she should be put out of her misery.


2 posted on 04/07/2006 10:08:22 AM PDT by blueminnesota
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To: Diddle E. Squat

> she wanted to cut off her baby's arms and her own limbs and head and give them God

Just imagine the look on God's face when this headless, limbless woman comes up to him and (somehow) deposits a pile of bits and pieces.

"Uh.... yeah.... thanks for that..."


3 posted on 04/07/2006 10:14:25 AM PDT by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Now that I have kids I wish we would use something like a BARF ALERT on these type of gut wrenching stories...I hate reading these and unfortunately it seems there are more and more of them...
4 posted on 04/07/2006 10:15:13 AM PDT by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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So if you commit an unspeakable murder, you can escape the death penalty by being found insane.
This will only encourage more outrageous acts.
This woman should be executed.
5 posted on 04/07/2006 10:16:28 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Diddle E. Squat

> Certainly an insane person may not know what they are doing, but if that is the case they will ALWAYS be a potential threat to others/society.

I don't know that that's true. Some forms of insanity are chemically driven, and can be cured (or at least controlled) via drugs. And in those cases, if someone is a raving psycho one day and perfectly rational and nice the next after medical care... is it right to lock 'em up forever? I dunno.


6 posted on 04/07/2006 10:16:44 AM PDT by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine)
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Some forms of insanity are chemically driven, and can be cured (or at least controlled) via drugs. And in those cases, if someone is a raving psycho one day and perfectly rational and nice the next after medical care... is it right to lock 'em up forever? I dunno.

But if they quit taking their medicine, then they can lapse back into that dangerous state. Hence there is always that risk, and thus they will always be a potential danger to society.

I should also differentiate that most people struggling with various levels of mental illness are NOT a potential danger to society. I am not talking about them, but only those who have proven capable of such heinous crimes as murder.

8 posted on 04/07/2006 10:27:20 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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> Hence there is always that risk, and thus they will always be a potential danger to society.

That risk of course exists whether the nut in question has killed or not (yet). So...that means that everyone who is a potential risk should thus be locked up.

Wow, this'll get expensive.


9 posted on 04/07/2006 10:29:48 AM PDT by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine)
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Nice try. That was one reason I made it clear that someone has to first attempt an action such as murder or clearly demonstrate capability and intent to commit violence. Lots of the ill might have such thoughts from time to time, few would actually act on it.


10 posted on 04/07/2006 10:33:21 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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Maybe her insanity was fueled by drug treatment.Meth or some other heinous drugs.
11 posted on 04/07/2006 10:33:37 AM PDT by xarmydog
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Agreed.

While we are at it let's add "Not Proven". A "Not Proven" verdict allows for a retrial same as a hung jury, but allows the jury to highlight the prosecution's failure to do their homework.

I would settle for a "Not responsible by reason of insanity" verdict with the required confinement stipulation.
12 posted on 04/07/2006 10:35:49 AM PDT by null and void (We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle)
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In many states a person found not guilty by reason of insanity may still be committed.


13 posted on 04/07/2006 10:36:00 AM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: orionblamblam

*shrug* allah would be pleased.


14 posted on 04/07/2006 10:36:26 AM PDT by null and void (We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle)
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Schlosser, 38, of Plano, is expected to be committed to a state mental hospital for treatment.
15 posted on 04/07/2006 10:36:56 AM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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> That was one reason I made it clear that someone has to first attempt an action such as murder or clearly demonstrate capability and intent to commit violence.

Then those who commit violent acts should *never* *ever* be released, sane or no.


16 posted on 04/07/2006 10:46:11 AM PDT by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine)
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To: null and void

> allah would be pleased.

Possibly. Certainly with the beheading part.


17 posted on 04/07/2006 10:46:53 AM PDT by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine)
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To: orionblamblam

Yes, it is right to lock 'em up forever. A person who becomes violent without the use of medication can not be trusted to always take their meds in order to prevent further attacks.

Also, what happens if a person who is medicated yet they are starting to become resistant to the medication and symptoms of their psychosis begins to set in?

For the protection of society, those who are mentally ill but have proven the ability to kill or severly maim others should be locked up.


18 posted on 04/07/2006 10:49:44 AM PDT by Brytani (Someone stole my tagline - reward for its return!!!)
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> A person who becomes violent without the use of medication can not be trusted...


Indeed. Those who commit acts of violence *without* even the excuse of mental illness need to be separated from society and the gene pool. Those who are verifiably chemically imbalanced, however, at least have the potential of actually being good people.


19 posted on 04/07/2006 10:52:33 AM PDT by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

How do you suppose she would give her head and arms to God if she cut off her arms?


20 posted on 04/07/2006 10:52:34 AM PDT by Woodstock
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