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Message from a Time Traveler
Dan Simmons - Official Web Site ^ | April 1, 2006 | Dan Simmons

Posted on 04/06/2006 4:33:24 AM PDT by Mr170IQ

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To: SauronOfMordor; ZULU
Gentlemen, you are both wrong in your assessment

1) we are not losing, we are no where near losing.

2) While Iraq is not what we would call stable, it is more stable this year than this time last year, according to the latest intelligence and pentagon reports.

3) More ordinary Iraqi civilians are coming forward with local intelligence allowing us to build up a more accurate intelligence picture.

5)We are taking out more of the bad guys and discovering more of there logistics and ammo caches because of the local intelligence picture.

I see no reason to jeopardies this war and to end up losing it because of bad tactics because some people at home feel all scared over rubbish that is printed on the Internet.

Thankfully your military is made of sterner stuff

I want to win this war, and win this war we will.

And I will tell you why because those fighting this war have the same attitude and experience as me of fighting insurgencies and terrorism in a host of countries, in the European, African as well as Middle Eastern theater..

SauronOfMordor if you want to talk about the Second World War then you should comapre Phase 4 of Japan,Germany Iraq, not phase 2 of Germany Japan, and Phase 4 of Iraq.

And for those not in the know

Phase 1 Build Up

Phase 2 Air War (Softening up)

Phase 3 Invasion Ground phase.

Phase 4) Occupation.

Phase 2 in Japan was designed to allow us to go straight to phase 4 without the cost of Phase 3.

741 posted on 04/11/2006 1:06:14 AM PDT by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: Junior_G

>"Fear, Self-interest, and honor" would not so disturb the author that he couldn't write about it for three months. Personally, I don't think that three words exist that could live up to the hype the author created,..."<


-that's a good point. He mentions those three words several times though...
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"– that all men’s behavior is guided by phobos, kerdos, and doxa,” said the Time Traveler. “Fear, self-interest, and honor.”

I pretended I did not hear."


“Plato saw human behavior as a chariot pulled by precisely those three powerful and headstrong horses, first tugged this way, then pulled that way,” continued the Time Traveler. “Phobos, kerdos, doxa. Fear, self-interest, honor. Which of these guides the chariot of your nation and your allies in Europe and your surprisingly fragile civilization now, O Man of 2006?”





742 posted on 04/11/2006 3:39:03 AM PDT by FBD (surf's up!)
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To: RandallFlagg

"Kill Your Son"

How about:

"Kill your Landlord!"

743 posted on 04/11/2006 7:23:59 AM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken.)
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To: RandallFlagg
"Kill your son" would not mean anything to another Time Traveller.

"Three words that any Replayer or time traveler visiting here from a century or more from now would react to first and most emotionally..."


744 posted on 04/11/2006 7:34:18 AM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken.)
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To: Hatteras
"I propose "We nuke Mecca". THAT would strike fear in anyone. "

How about "Allah is Satan"?

Overly obvious to anyone who's been paying attention.

745 posted on 04/11/2006 10:17:11 AM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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To: null and void; Hatteras
Yeah I read it as the US is destroyed, but not defeated.

Damaged, I'd think, but not quite out of the picture. And with the Middle East the scene of the real devestation, following the Israeli/Islumist nuclear exchange, resulting in the survivors takeover and occupation of Europe [thus EurAbia] via their accomplices and foothold in the Balkans.

746 posted on 04/11/2006 10:20:34 AM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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To: shield
I posted this at a moonbat web site...Maybe this will wake a few of 'em up and deal with the realization of islam now.

I posted it at a couple of websites popular with US military personnel serving in Iraq, among whom it's now spreading like wildfire.

747 posted on 04/11/2006 10:23:33 AM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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To: archy

What's so funny are the folks that read this particular moonbat web site....believe it!!!! Their tone toward Bush has done a 180 turn around. LOL


748 posted on 04/11/2006 10:29:27 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: shield
What's so funny are the folks that read this particular moonbat web site....believe it!!!! Their tone toward Bush has done a 180 turn around. LOL

Mecca will be nuked, in'ch Allah!

749 posted on 04/11/2006 10:30:54 AM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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To: tonycavanagh
1) we are not losing, we are no where near losing.

No more than we were in Vietnam. I've spoken to a fella who was a fairly senior Soviet commander at the time, and it was not at all our military prowess that impressed them. And rightly so; eventually it brought down the wall in Berlin and the Red Flag over the Kremlin.

750 posted on 04/11/2006 10:35:05 AM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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To: cgbg
Add a good holograph technology and you have Simmon's visitor. I am not saying it is certain that it would work but "impossible" it is not.

"Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi!"


751 posted on 04/11/2006 10:37:50 AM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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To: null and void
Holographs don't drink Scotch, single malt or otherwise...

I surer'n h-e-double-toothpicks would if'n I was one of them hinkeygraf thingies.


752 posted on 04/11/2006 10:40:26 AM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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To: RandallFlagg
And the death of my Son would devastate me.

I call that a strange sentiment from the FReeper who carries the name and reputation of The Walkin' Dude.


753 posted on 04/11/2006 10:44:15 AM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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To: Mr170IQ

Is this supposed to be a fictional piece or is this guy actually claiming some time traveler visited him?

I think the former, and it is an interesting piece.

Thought-provoking about what could happen if we don't take the fight seriously.


754 posted on 04/11/2006 10:47:30 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: higgmeister
, but no one on this thread implied that it might be nonfiction. Apart from you, that is.

Huh?? There are 638 posts... you might want to look at them again.

It was written by a Hugo Award winning Science Fiction author.

I haven't seen any previous post suggest that anyone else thought a time traveler from a hundred years in the future actually visited a man that wrote about it as nonfiction.

Haven't ANY of you guys read Steve Hawking? On the edge of a singularity the possibilities are infinite, certainly encompassing any possibility with which the puny human mind can imagine. Anything. Everything.

Now clap your hands if you believe in Tinkerbell. She drank the poison meant for Peter, you know, and if you don't clap your hands to show her you believe in her, she'll die. You don't want her to die, do you? C'mon, clap your hands. What can it hurt- and it might save cute li'l Tinkerbell....


755 posted on 04/11/2006 10:56:32 AM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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To: null and void

Something physically catastrophic for the US/planet Earth. This would satisfy all the conditions for the 3 words.


756 posted on 04/11/2006 11:38:16 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: archy
Mecca will be nuked, in'ch Allah!

Not as allah wills, but as allah cannot prevent.

A sobering message, don't you think?

Every møøslimb will have to ask himself, if allah couldn't protect his most holy place[s] on earth, can he really be an all powerful god?

Can he protect me? My family? My tribe? Will he bother?

757 posted on 04/11/2006 12:30:41 PM PDT by null and void (We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle)
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To: thoughtomator

If you're gonna be THAT ruthless you don't need to nuke Mecca, you need to occupy it. Force the Muslims to take up arms, form armies and become concentrated targets for nukes, followed by mop ups from combined arms - taking no prisoners. Also hit their population centers.
Also need to occupy resource areas (i.e. oil fields) and exterminate or expel all potential enemies.
Don't think we can be the ruthless.


758 posted on 04/11/2006 12:41:51 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: null and void
Every møøslimb will have to ask himself, if allah couldn't protect his most holy place[s] on earth, can he really be an all powerful god?

Can he protect me? My family? My tribe? Will he bother?

It's been considered. The question is, should we let them have a couple of airplane loads of pigs first, just so they know what's coming next.

759 posted on 04/11/2006 12:50:42 PM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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To: Little Ray
Force the Muslims to take up arms, form armies and become concentrated targets for nukes

Are you familiar with the term Jannisaries, the troops recruited from Christian communities used to control conquered populations? It was a term for the forces organized by Turkish Musselman Bey Murad I in the late 14th century, those occupation forces remaining effective until 1826, altogether about 450 years.

760 posted on 04/11/2006 1:37:32 PM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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