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Romney to Sign Mandatory Health Bill
NewsMax.com ^ | April 4, 2006 | NewsMax Staff

Posted on 04/05/2006 7:05:04 AM PDT by CSM

Tuesday, April 4, 2006 10:54 p.m. EDT Romney to Sign Mandatory Health Bill

BOSTON -- Lawmakers overwhelmingly approved a bill Tuesday that would make Massachusetts the first state to require that all its citizens have some form of health insurance.

The plan — approved just 24 hours after the final details were released — would use a combination of financial incentives and penalties to dramatically expand access to health care over the next three years and extend coverage to the state's estimated 500,000 uninsured.

If all goes as planned, poor people will be offered free or heavily subsidized coverage; those who can afford insurance but refuse to get it will face increasing tax penalties until they obtain coverage; and those already insured will see a modest drop in their premiums.

The measure does not call for new taxes but would require businesses that do not offer insurance to pay a $295 annual fee per employee.

The cost was put at $316 million in the first year, and more than a $1 billion by the third year, with much of that money coming from federal reimbursements and existing state spending, officials said.

The House approved the bill on a 154-2 vote. The Senate endorsed it 37-0.

A final procedural vote is needed in both chambers of the Democratic-controlled legislature before the bill can head to the desk of Gov. Mitt Romney, a potential Republican candidate for president in 2008. Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said the governor would sign the bill but would make some changes that wouldn't "affect the main purpose of the bill."

Legislators praised the effort.

"It's only fitting that Massachusetts would set forward and produce the most comprehensive, all-encompassing health care reform bill in the country," said House Speaker Salvatore DiMasi, a Democrat. "Do we know whether this is perfect or not? No, because it's never been done before."

The only other state to come close to the Massachusetts plan is Maine, which passed a law in 2003 to dramatically expand health care. That plan relies largely on voluntary compliance.

"What Massachusetts is doing, who they are covering, how they're crafting it, especially the individual requirement, that's all unique," said Laura Tobler, a health policy analyst for the National Conference of State Legislatures.

The plan hinges in part on two key sections: the $295-per-employee business assessment and a so-called "individual mandate," requiring every citizen who can afford it to obtain health insurance or face increasing tax penalties.

Liberals typically support employer mandates, while conservatives generally back individual responsibility.

"The novelty of what's happened in this building is that instead of saying, `Let's do neither,' leaders are saying, `Let's do both,'" said John McDonough of Health Care for All. "This will have a ripple effect across the country."

The state's poorest — single adults making $9,500 or less a year — will have access to health coverage with no premiums or deductibles.

Those living at up to 300 percent of the federal poverty level, or about $48,000 for a family of three, will be able to get health coverage on a sliding scale, also with no deductibles.

The vast majority of Massachusetts residents who are already insured could see a modest easing of their premiums.

Individuals deemed able but unwilling to purchase health care could face fines of more than $1,000 a year by the state if they don't get insurance.

Romney pushed vigorously for the individual mandate and called the legislation "something historic, truly landmark, a once-in-a-generation opportunity."

One goal of the bill is to protect $385 million pledged by the federal government over each of the next two years if the state can show it is on a path to reducing its number of uninsured.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has threatened to withhold the money if the state does not have a plan up and running by July 1.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
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To: Final Authority



Is your name Steve Bailey? Do you work for the Boston Globe???? You sound like a typical liberal loonatic, hope this fine piece of legislation comes to your State pal, we'll see how fond of it you will be when you are paying out the kazoo, this is going to drive health care prices up even higher than they currently are, are you made of money?????


361 posted on 04/06/2006 5:49:04 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (I'm not afraid to say out loud what the rest of you are afraid to admit.)
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To: visualops
That car insurance is not for you, but the OTHER guy.

If a non-insured shows up at the hospital's emergency room, who pays the bill, my friend?
362 posted on 04/06/2006 5:51:06 PM PDT by kenavi ("You must accept the truth from whatever source it comes." Rambam)
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To: OldPossum
If you can actually read English in a conversationally way, you would find that I did not limit treatments for catastrophic events to only the aged, did I? I implied that not everybody however, will have a catastrophic event in their lives but if they live long enough, they will. But I did not restrict the possibility to only the aged.

I agree with the reminder of the reply, however.
363 posted on 04/06/2006 6:17:43 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: rockabyebaby

Read the history of my posts and you will notice that I and liberalism have little in common. I do however, believe in personal responsibility, and even many folks who vote GOP do not buy health insurance. I know roofers, sheet rockers, landscapers, framers, etc., all make very good money, but work essentially off the books, and pay very little in the way of taxes, and also buy no health insurance. Some of these folks are illegal aliens as well. After this becomes law, when they show up in the ER for treatment, they will asked to present proof of insurance. If they do not, they will be required to sign up. They may be asked what is their tax status and their immigration status (although I think that may have been left out of the bill). The idea of this bill is, the free loaders, the deadbeats, will be made to pay at least part of their fair share.


364 posted on 04/06/2006 6:25:37 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: CSM

This is idiotic. It reminds me of the Medicaid prescription plan, under which doctors can write you twenty different prescriptions, whether they're necessary or not, and Uncle Sam will pay for every one of them. Having the government pay all the costs of health care only increases the costs.


365 posted on 04/06/2006 7:19:57 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: CSM

Alright what happened to the conservatives in the republican party. The place is chock full of liberals.


366 posted on 04/06/2006 7:23:21 PM PDT by Modok
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To: Born Conservative

I said I would never vote republican again, but when your health is as uninsurable as mine and Romney gives MA health insurance maybe he will be president and do the same for the other 49 states. I may have to eat my words. GO ROMNEY, 2008!!!!!!


367 posted on 04/06/2006 9:23:18 PM PDT by maroonman
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To: maroonman

Welcome to Free Republic.


368 posted on 04/07/2006 3:19:39 AM PDT by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity - http://jsher.livejournal.com/)
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To: Modok
I agree 110%! It was great when Reagan threw out the liberal Rockefeller wing but it ap-pears Bush I/II has let them back in and put them in control.

Considering the pubbie Prez hopefuls, is there any hope for another Reagan?

369 posted on 04/07/2006 3:22:54 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: highlander_UW; griswold3

Next comes Ohio
SB 68, Universal Health Care paid for by business taxes...




Yep. Yet another "Republican" state. With the damage the Grinning Idiot (Taft) and company have done, it may be too late for Blackwell to do any good. I fear the state is lost either way.


370 posted on 04/07/2006 5:51:32 AM PDT by The Foolkiller (BSXL* The year the NFL became irrelevant..)
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To: SmoothTalker; CSM; All
In the NH Union Leader today there was a story about the Massachusetts plan. Apparently, the AFL-CIO is dead set against it. The problem with the plan, according to them, is that it is too much like a plan conceived by one of the biggest enemies of liberalism. That enemy is Newt Gingrich. I found the following on the web:

'Nobody washes a rental car'

Managed Care sat down with the former speaker of the House of Representatives recently to discuss his ideas to overhaul health care and place more responsibility on the individual. Newt Gingrich advocates personal responsibility, the end of paper medical records, consumer-directed health care, and mandatory health insurance or a posted bond for everyone as the way to transform the American health care system.

Find it here: http://www.managedcaremag.com/archives/0502/0502.gingrich.html

It seems the state legislature has gone crazy and became conservative and it means the Mitt is more in touch with conservatism than believed, or is it, the writing is on the wall and socialized care is around the corner, and these public servants aren't too dumb, and for once, they did the right thing?
371 posted on 04/07/2006 12:29:59 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: rockabyebaby

See post 371. If I am liberal, and Mitt Romney is liberal, then Newt Gingrich is liberal. While you are at it, click on the link and read in depth Newt's ideas. I think Newt has been on the right track and good ideas are neither Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative, they are just smart.


372 posted on 04/07/2006 1:11:36 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Final Authority
And, if that is the case, would you be agreeable to allowing the dead and dying to be just set aside and dragged off to some pit as they decompose?

Presumably their families would still want to have funerals...

373 posted on 04/07/2006 1:15:52 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Final Authority
And, if that is the case, would it also be agreeable to you to rescind any laws or case law that makes hospitals who are of a certain tax status that requires them to provide health care treatment without regard of payment?

Yes, repealing EMTALA is an essential step if nationalization is to be avoided.

374 posted on 04/07/2006 1:17:28 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Jim Noble

On 373, is your answer yes? I think it is but you wouldn't have them dragged off to some pit for burial.


375 posted on 04/07/2006 1:22:03 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Final Authority
Would you in essence, be agreeable to having a health care system only for those who can pay and none, I mean none, for those who either can't pay or who have not made the effort to buy insurance?

The system that existed prior to 1965 would be just fine.

There were clinics and hospitals for those who couldn't pay - even for those who could, but had other plans for their money.

The pay hospitals were (mostly) better - but that's natural, that's the way we allocate housing, food, transportation, and everything else.

376 posted on 04/07/2006 1:22:15 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Final Authority
You've asked two separate questions in one sentence.

would you be agreeable to allowing the dead ... to be just set aside and dragged off to some pit as they decompose?

Right now, at the most expensive and developed hospitals in the United States, the dead are set aside immediately in refrigerators until their families call for the body. Insurance has nothing at all to do with this, and your horrific image is a silly polemic trick.

And, if that is the case, would you be agreeable to allowing...the dying to be just set aside and dragged off to some pit as they decompose?

What to do with dying people who want free medical services is a hard problem. No question that since universal insurance, MUCH more money is spent in hospitals in the last week of life that was the case before.

The directive from most families is, "do everything!"

I'm not sure that you should be able to steal from your neighbors to get "everything" done, especially if, as in your question, the beggar in question is really dying.

Decomposition occurs after death and is not relevant to this part of your question.

377 posted on 04/07/2006 1:33:38 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Jim Noble
I think you may have missed the implications of my question. The question I asked was in response to a reply that argued against mandatory health care insurance and argued against the government delivering universal healthcare. So the question that was asked, in a graphic way, what does society do with all of those who would have no insurance and hence, no health care or medical treatment? Does our society tolerate walking over the sick and dying? Or, do we need to do what is required to allow for some form of medical care for all?

Then, if one is of a conservative mindset, do we do what is required to make those who can pay do so and offer a minimal level of coverage for a minimal fee for those who ordinarily would be priced out?

When a conservative denies personal responsibility in the name of freedom I just ask the question, then would you wish to be left on the sidewalk in sickness convinced your argument is correct?
378 posted on 04/07/2006 2:03:26 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Final Authority
So the question that was asked, in a graphic way, what does society do with all of those who would have no insurance and hence, no health care or medical treatment?

I trained in one of the last great county hospitals. No patients had insurance (or, rather, no patients got a bill - some of them DID have insurance, but came to our place because it was so good.)

It is certainly false - grossly false - that, because a person had no insurance, he had no health care or medical treatment.

What IS true is that such persons didn't have PRIVATE medical treatment, and didn't have access to the latest and best technology.

The social decision to destroy the system of healthcare for the poor has been amazingly foolish. It is no more likely that the poor will have healthcare for the rich than that they will have mansions or gluttinous dinners.

To achieve a semblance of one-class care, the existing high class system will have to be destroyed.

And so it is being.

Hope you all like it.

379 posted on 04/07/2006 2:14:36 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Jim Noble
Forget about 1965. That level of medical care was so inferior and so much cheaper than we enjoy today, not even the poorest would tolerate it.

We already have places for the poor and those who wish to freeload and remain dead beats. They are filled with criminal aliens and laborers and the "Y" generation and the aged. They are going broke and as they go broke it puts more pressure on the remaining hospitals. If there was a large enough source of charitable funds, your idea would hold water, but they aren't making enough Nuns anymore for the few Catholic hospitals that remain. Do you want nurses, doctors, and other staff to volunteer? Should the suppliers just be able to write off their shipments to the hospitals?

Since the cost of medical care is rising and is at historic levels of about 18% of GDP nationwide and about 22% in states like Massachusetts which is older and richer and has better than average health care facilities, eliminating even a tenth of our GDP for it to become volunteer work and charity to be able to assume the health treatment of millions of those who don't have it is a dream, as in, not real.
380 posted on 04/07/2006 2:15:17 PM PDT by Final Authority
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