Posted on 04/05/2006 12:52:59 AM PDT by temp409
We wrecked our 2001 Dodge caravan 3-7-06 going only about 35mph, frontal crash, my daughters (12yrs. old) rear shoulder strap didn't catch and her face slammed the handle on back of the drivers seat, she suffered a concussion with blood from eye, nose and mouth. NHTSA or IIHS has never done a FRONTAL crash test with rear occupants and (ALL) Daimlerchryster Dodge caravan and durango rear shoulder straps do not catch when you jerk them and caravan didn't catch in our crash. Test for yourself, jerk the front then jerk the rear shoulder restraints, obviously something is wrong and children will continue to be hurt or even killed if something isn't done. ALL OTHER minivans catch FIRST JERK front and rear except Dodge caravans. You won't believe it until you try jerking them for yourself. It's very obvious something is wrong and it could of killed my daughter.
We have a Dodge Caravan, I'll check it out.
It could be possible that Dodge Caravan belts don't function properly in a collision, but you could certainly help out by not driving into things at 35mph.
Hire a GOOD lawyer, and have him/her contact D-C.
As far as seatbelts though...well...I'd prefer we didn't have seatbelt laws. Heck I've driven cars with NO seats in em, much less belts. I just sat on a stack of old tires. Yee-haw!
Seriously all the regualtions in the name of safety irks me, diagonal seatbelts especially. H and anti-submarine belts would be safer but NOBODY (especially women) wears 'em. I did when I autocrossed back in the 70's and Thought they were pretty cool. Plus a helmet would cut WAY down on head injuries and fatalities, but again NOBODY is gonna wear one.
If people really wanna get serious about cutting highway accidents it's very simple really. Just institute a tiered licensing system. To explain very briefly, there would be restrictions on HP, weight, passengers etcetera on each tier of license. Until you reached a certain level of demonstrated capability you wouldn't be allowed to drive an automatic shift vehicle. Only after a person demonstrated a working knowledge of the dynamics of motion would he or she be allowed to move to higher horsepower, manual shift vehicles.
Driver training wouldn't be just the silly "rules of the road" that is taought now. You'd have to be able to define terms like understeer and oversteer, demonstrate the ability to calculate GVW, explain the effects of air pressure in tires, slip angles, power on drift, etcetera.
Sound tough? It is...but drivers would know how to drive.
I'd also include perks for those in the top tiers of licensing...easier penalties for minor traffic violations.
It would really cut down on accidents but....it ain't gonna happen.
Unless I'm made Car Czar...sigh.
BTW Welcome to FR!
prisoner6
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I bought a used Dodge Van and have had my grandson in a car seat in the back seat. Thanks, I'll check it out.
Hope your daughter will be okay.
My two year old greatgranddaughter rides in the back seat of my Dodge Caravan and sometimes in the Plymouth Voyager so I will check them both out in the morning. Thanks for the heads up.
Are you sure that belt was secured? Real events have consequences. What ever you do, please poll this forum.
You might want to check out http://www.allpar.com
They're really good with stuff like you describe and hae a section devoted to mini vans. The Yahoo mini van group is good as well. Both sites have search engines so you don't have to sort through pages of posts.
prisoner6
You're making good points. Here's one more. Helmets would save even more lives. The pillars (if the belts & bags allow an occupant to reach them) are killers.
Aren't you brilliant and witty?
As far as I know the 'catch' on the shoulder strap is acutated by gravity when the car is slowed NOT when the strap is yanked.
If this is how the belt in question works then your daughter may have had too much slack in the belt.
Strap someone in and see if the belt unrolls or locks AFTER the brakes are applied. It should lock even if the brakes are applied lightly.
So you have personally tested the rear seatbelts in how many Caravans?
ok...
belts in the back catch when the brake is applied or after the belt has been pulled out the entire way ,it will have a locking mechanism.
Welcome to FR. This post reminds of something bogdan polaski (sp) would pull.
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