Posted on 04/04/2006 1:35:55 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past
I will not separate the issue. When two groups are forming an agreement -- one in the name of Christianity -- then I think it is fair to ask who profits. I simply want to know. How rich has the author of Heather Has Two Mommies or the producer of It's Elementary gotten specifically off of selling their product to the public schools. How much does GLSEN make selling their nonsense to the schools? What about Planned Parenthood for that matter? Follow the money and let's see the picture behind the picture.
These are very controversial subjects as everyone would agree. It's pitiful that we have degaded so much as a culture that they have become controversial, but that's where we are. So LEAVE IT OUT. Teach the kids to read Poe, Hemmingway, Dickens, heck....Dr. Seuss. Teach them to write with care and beauty. Teach them to calculate. I don't mind if you teach them to sing, play an instrument, or play ball. But if the government cannot take a position on morality then the government should not broach these controversial subjects with children. Leave it to homes and churches. They are the ones who will pick up the pieces of the broken lives ruined by immoral behavior.
The nature of the issue is that young impressionable minds can be corrupted and desensitized. How dare the gov't decide that it can teach my child that having a strong sense of morals is a bigoted and hateful way to be. "All of the above" equals moral relativism. They do not need more of that.
Regardless....SHOW ME THE MONEY! Who profits and how much?
I think school districts buy all the materials. If GLSEN isn't profiting directly, then they are indirectly by promoting the materials of their own donors.
I'm sure you can find Dr. Throckmorton's website and email him with your financial questions.
Second of all, you seem to be saying that giving kids information about the way out of the "gay" life is equivalent to GLSEN indoctrination. If GLSEN wasn't in thousands of schools, obviously there would be no need to be presenting the truth about homosexuality. Most of us opposed to the homosexual agenda want the whole topic out of public schools. But as long as GLSEN and similar groups or individuals are in the schools poisoning kids, anyone making an effort to present the truth should be lauded, not attacked.
Well guess what? The bad guys are winning. In my county, Montgomery County Maryland, conservatives are about as abundant as downtown Manhattan. No matter how or who I vote for my child is going to be taught in the publik scrools that the practice of perversion is normal, good, right and true. Now if that is GOING to happen wouldn't you want to have at LEAST a counter balance to that argument in the form of demonstrating that the practice of perversion is NOT and innate condition? That's the situation HERE!
All scripter is doing is being an advocate for that conservative political position. What is reprehensible is your conspiracy theory moonbat sniping that he is somehow making a profit for his right-headed advocation instead of doing the best for children who have no other choice. Some people have no other choice but to send their children to publik scrools. How many times has he told you he has NOTHING to do with profiting from his advocacy...have you no shame Ms. McCarthy? You have a problem if you can't see past your own deluded conspiracies. Give it a rest and let the adults here answer WWJD.
Surely we are just getting the wrong impression here, right?
Throckmorton does not want the topic out of the public schools. Read what he wrote.
I will not laud this. No way! None of these people belong in the schools. They can cry free speech all they want. But the students are a captive audience. What about their choices. And they are not talking about free speech. They are talking about selling their particular sexual ideologies to a captive audience of minors, offering them a smorgasbord of amoral choices. It's relativism run amok and/or sex therapy for children and teens. This is not the job of the schools.
I think it would be wise for you to think about whether you support people or principles. This agreement was a mistake and the reasons are suspect.
Human nature is human nature on all sides. Money always has a way of distorting people's principles. It is a reasonable question to ask: Who is profiting from this stuff? And how much?
No. Neither group belongs in the schools making money off this nonsense. I don't like the hypocrisy from the so-called right. We have been saying for a long time that GLSEN doesn't belong in the schools indoctrinating the kids. It is wrong when GLSEN does it and it is wrong when we do it. Now we get this "First Amendment" spill about how they do belong and so do we? The First Amendment should not be used as cover to market moral relativism to our children. If they need sex therapy, get it on their own time and at their own expense. My child should not have to be part of a group therapy session under the guise of compulsory education.
If free speech in public schools can be put aside for other respectible reasons -- racism, civility, proselytizing -- then it should be able to suffer moral boundaries as well. School attendence is not optional and the kids are all at varying impressionable stages. Education is compulsory because kids need to learn basics like reading, writing, and arithmetic. The gov't should not be in the business of demanding compulsory attendence to this other nonsense. Nor should it happen on the public dime. If GLSEN wants to speak to kids, let them invite them to private meetings at their own facilities if parents allow it.
And if someone wants to make an agreement in the name of Christianity, then he should at least offer full disclosure about his own financial profits in the matter.
It is fair to ask if these people touting this stuff are profiting financially from it, especially if public money is the source of their gain.
None of this stuff belongs in the schools.
No Kidding genius. But when you emerge from your cabin in the woods Nell you're going to find out it's already there. Now what do you do Nell, just let pro-sodomy education go unbalanced? Most people with common sense would elect to have that balance as opposed to none at all as you advocate.
It is fair to ask if these people touting this stuff are profiting financially from it...
Yeah once...but when scripter said he doesn't profit from it you continue to accuse him with no proof. Have you no integrity or are you just not capable of telling the truth?
Knock it off and grow up.
Since you keep bringing up the topic of financial gain, why not do some investigation and find out about it? It's easy to make unfounded accusations. Find out the truth if you're so bothered about it.
And you're comparing "ideologies" as though the truth that people can become free from the "gay life" is equivalent to GLSEN pro-homosexual indoctrination. That's certainly muddying the waters.
It's not the government's job to require kids to attend school so they can get the full monty on sexual and moral diversity. The gov't requires school attendance so kids can learn to read and write.
What is equivalent is that both GLSEN and Throckmorton think they are entitled to use the conpulsory attendance laws and public tax dollars to promote their materials to minor children, their captive, impressionable audience.
At minimum, full disclosure should be required from these people. How much do they or their interest groups stand to profit off these presentations? It's not my job to break into their offices and dig through their financial papers. It should be their job to disclose any financial motives they might have.
No. Now we are getting this "They don't belong there, but if you are going to allow them, then you must allow us to counter their propagnada"
If we could get glsen and the NEA out ofthe schools you'd never hear a peep from PFOX or other ex-gay organizations about being in the schools. There'd be no reason.
Indeed. As I see it, that's the main argument against GLSEN being in the schools.
I read the article and didn't see a quote or implication from Throckmorton as you did. Is there something in the above article to which you are referring?
Schools have just gotten so ridiculous for so long. I agree that they should be just concentrating on reading writing and arithmatic.
I think I can vouch for all on this thread who are opposed to homosexual propaganda in schools - that schools should teach the fundamentals of learning. But, that said, education cannot and never has been "values neutral". Values are in fiction, literature of all kinds, essays, history lessons, social studies at every level. Values cannot be separated from reading and writing; maybe arithmatic can be neutral.
The question remains - what values?
Throughout history schools both public and private, tutors, educational insititutions large and small, have all been considered not just ways to teach children skills, but values. To help them grow up with good character and morals. Ever read McGuffy's Readers? Just about every story, poem and essay has a moral lesson. The basic moral values of loyalty, honesty, courage, faith, chastity, obedience to elders, even thrift and self abnegation - were all taught, along with reading and writing.
There is no such thing as "values free" education.
We'd better find a way to do it because as it stands, no one seems worried about whether Johnny can read or not. They only care that Johnny lusts. Here's a poem for the new relativsm:
Johnny's diverse lust
Sometimes Johnny lusts after boys
Sometimes Johnny lusts after girls
Sometimes Johnny lusts after swine
When they are wearing pearls
Please forgive me if anyone has a lust preference that I left out.
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