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Sexual orientation: When conflict rules the school
Townhall.com ^ | April 4, 2006 | Chad Thompson and Warren Throckmorton, PhD

Posted on 04/04/2006 1:35:55 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past

Sexual orientation: When conflict rules the school By Chad Thompson and Warren Throckmorton, PhD

Apr 4, 2006

For over a decade, parents have warred with gay advocacy groups who want to infuse school curriculum with messages about homosexuality. Groups like the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) say that society must address the abuse and ridicule that gay and lesbian kids face in school in order to create a safe environment for learning. However, many parents believe instruction that teaches respect for gay-identified youth is actually a Trojan Horse that advocacy groups like GLSEN use to indoctrinate kids with favorable messages about homosexuality.

To address the rancor that attends these debates, representatives from the Christian Educators Association International (CEAI) recently sat down with members of GLSEN to hammer out ways to discuss sexual orientation in schools. These groups were brought to the table by the First Amendment Center and another group called Bridgebuilders. The First Amendment Center seeks to apply principles of free speech to resolve problems and Bridebuilders has had success in resolving disputes in the public schools. If there was ever an issue where conflict is the rule, it is sexual orientation and how to present it in school.

Recently, these organizations crafted a framework that could provide school districts and parents with principles of dialogue when conflicting groups square off over sexual orientation. The paper is called Public Schools and Sexual Orientation: A First Amendment Framework for Finding Common Ground (“The Framework”) and has aroused significant conflict from both sides of the ideological spectrum.

The level of emotion and conviction that people feel about the things which influence the morals and beliefs of their children make it difficult to find consensus on matters of conscience. Thus, the framers of the Framework did not attempt to form common ground on matters of ideology. The Framework states: “No ideological or religious consensus is possible – or perhaps even desirable – in our diverse society.” Rather, based on the First Amendment, the writers of the Framework attempt to develop what could be considered rules of engagement in the culture war.

Thus far, the guidelines have built very few bridges. Groups on the political right and left have found fault with them. One recent headline from a conservative source said: “Christian education group caves to homosexuals.” Conversely, liberal Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) said the Framework was designed to foster discussion of gay issues in schools and that the views of ex-gays should not be considered. We believe critics are missing the central aim of the guidelines: “Educators can and should require that all viewpoints be expressed in a respectful manner, but they may not exclude some views merely because they don’t agree with them.”

We believe agreement on First Amendment principles will address concerns of people on all sides of the debate. While agreement on substance may never occur, promoting free speech principles could address two issues which concern both the right and the left: ideological coercion and personal safety.

The Framework says that parents should be given information about any and all resources, books, video's, and curricula that are introduced to their students. As the most infamous scandals of homosexual propagandizing have historically taken place behind closed doors, schools promoting common ground communication should take steps to prevent teachers from introducing controversial classroom materials without due process.

Conservatives have often pointed out that much of the curricula designed to foster discussions about sexual orientation in public schools are biased against traditional views of sexuality. For instance, we know of only one curriculum that contains any mention of homosexuals who have re-directed their sexual orientation to conform with traditional religious beliefs. When mentioned in school, the lives of former homosexuals are often either discredited or ridiculed.

Where discussed in school, we believe a comprehensive perspective on the nature of sexual orientation should be offered. And that is exactly what the Framework suggests: “School officials should address the controversy fairly and openly by including all of the stakeholders in an effort to develop policies that promote fairness for all…" (emphasis ours).

We believe that the public school system has become a social climate where conservative and Christian views are frequently bullied into silence. This Framework supports the right of social conservatives to freely express these perspectives in schools by sending a clear statement to educators that if they introduce a gay advocacy perspective, they should also allow a countering voice.

In contrast, it appears to us that social conservatives and others who oppose the introduction of programs which teach respect for gay and lesbian students often minimize the legitimate struggles faced by students who identify as gay or are perceived to be gay. Everything from name-calling to vandalism is aimed at young men whose demeanor is even slightly feminine, or young women who come across as “butch” or masculine. Yet conservative commentator, Linda Harvey, responded to the Framework’s release with these words: "While no one doubts that some bullying of students who believe they are homosexual does occur, these are sad, yet isolated incidents with no uniform characteristics. They are not the fault of Christian values."

We while agree that harassment of gay and gender nonconforming students is not the fault of “Christian values,” we are not persuaded that such bullying is isolated. One of us (Thompson) has experienced such harassment first hand as an ex-gay and the other (Throckmorton) is a counselor who deals with the fallout of such harassment on a daily basis.

If we want Christian values to be taken seriously, we must start by acknowledging the true suffering experienced by young men and women who are perceived to be or do identify as gay. And we must take a stand against their mistreatment even if we disagree with homosexuality on religious or moral grounds. Any other approach only increases the likelihood that impressionable and confused kids will join up with these gay advocacy groups. Conservatives who fail to compassionately address this issue further alienate the very kids we need to help, while the open arms of gay advocacy groups appear to be a place where these kids can be understood.

The Framework is helpful here as well, in that it suggests that schools dealing with controversy over this issue begin deliberations where agreement is most likely to be achieved: Teaching respect for all. Some social conservatives may think it’s dangerous to even talk with gay-affirming parents. However, we believe it’s possible to dialogue in such a way that maintains principle and respects human dignity.

Finally, critics of the Framework on both sides should recognize that embracing free speech rights does no violence to other rights. After all sides are heard and a school determines a course of action, parents who disagree are still free to exercise their right to go to court, vote school board members out of office or remove their children from the public school.

Social conservatives and homosexual advocacy groups will probably never agree on ideology; the chasm is just too deep. Nonetheless, all those involved in crafting the Framework should be commended, not for finding consensus on one of the most politically divisive issues of our time, but for finding means to disagree agreeably and, where applied, model civil discourse to our children.

Chad Thompson is the founder of Inqueery and author of the book Loving Homosexuals as Jesus Would. View his archive here.

Warren Throckmorton, PhD is Associate Professor of Psychology and Fellow for Psychology and Public Policy at Grove City College. He produced the documentary, I Do Exist and authored anti-bullying and sexual orientation curriculum available for free download at www.respectandthefacts.com.

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Okay, guess who created the ex-gay video for twenty bucks, which is the voice at the table Throckmorton is concerned with? Who makes money if the video is widely promoted in the schools? I suspect this ridiculous agreement has a lot more to do with money than ideology. Besides, you can't use free speech as an excuse to present immoral ideas to children while banning free speech in the name of anti-bullying. And banning other speech by calling it proselytizing. I don't care that he made the video. I don't think it belongs in the schools any more than the gay propoganda belongs there.

Whatever happened to reading, writing, and arithmetic?

1 posted on 04/04/2006 1:36:02 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past
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Whatever happened to reading, writing, and arithmetic?

Amen................


2 posted on 04/04/2006 1:39:05 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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"Whatever happened to reading, writing, and arithmetic?"

Exactly. Having teachers try to teach our kids about sex is not a good idea. Why isn't that left to the parents? I have never understood who started this "sex ed" crap anyway. Our kids can't write a complete paragraph, figure change in a grocery store, or fill out a job application, but let's make sure they know how to put a condom on a cucumber. Homeschool, homeschool, homeschool!


3 posted on 04/04/2006 1:39:12 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
A much better view:

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Saturday, April 1, 2006



Christian education group caves to homosexuals

Posted: April 1, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Linda Harvey


© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

A recent agreement between several national groups on how to handle "sexual orientation" in schools is unacceptable, misleading and may actually cause more problems than it purports to solve.

The document, "Public Schools and Sexual Orientation" was released by the First Amendment Center in conjunction with the Christian Educators Association International and GLSEN, the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network.Since I have researched and reported on homosexuality in the schools for more than a decade through the organization I head, Mission America of Columbus, Ohio, I read this announcement with shock and dismay. My first reaction was, "GLSEN? How could a group of genuine Christian believers sit down at any table with that organization?"

And reviewing the document itself has only heightened my concern. Throughout the document, homosexuality is treated as an alternate viewpoint which Christians are now supposed to treat with respect and civility. We are to "agree to disagree" when it comes to students, and to view this as just an "alternate viewpoint." This presents a problem for a committed Christian, when we know from both God's standards and from public-health statistics that homosexuality has grave, life-changing consequences and should never be advocated to youth.

School administrators are empowered to act on behalf of children to eliminate any obstacle to student safety. Yet through the efforts of aggressive advocacy groups like GLSEN, the American Civil Liberties Union and others, many school officials have been persuaded that homosexuality can somehow be presented "safely" to students. It's apparent that this erroneous assumption was the starting point in drafting this agreement.

Homosexuality is not a viewpoint – it's an array of high-risk, abnormal behaviors. We pay millions of dollars as taxpayers to fund HIV-prevention efforts and treatment for AIDS. The most common way HIV is spread in the United States is still through male-to-male anal sex, or through bisexual sex. Some teens will engage in homosexual or bisexual behavior before they leave high school, and more will surely do so when it's treated with "respect" at their public school. How can responsible educators – particularly those who are Christians – in any way encourage or enable practices that are verifiably dangerous?

For example, according to Dr. Jeffery Satinover, in testimony before the Massachusetts Senate Judiciary Committee in 2003:

The specific concern in supporting young men in a gay identification is that innumerable studies from major centers around the U.S. and elsewhere note that a 20-year-old man who identified himself as gay carries 30 percent (or greater) risk of being HIV positive or dead of AIDS by age 30. A recent Canadian study published concluded that in urban centers gay male identification is associated with a life expectancy comparable to that in Canada in the 1870's.

I contacted my friend, E. Ray Moore, director of Exodus Mandate for an opinion. Here's his reaction to the agreement:

By participating in the First Amendment Center's Consensus Guidelines for schools on sexual orientation, Christian Educators Association International representatives have led their putative Christian public-school teachers' fellowship into serious compromise. CEAI has adopted the "dialectic paradigm," seeking common ground where none exists.

In doing this, they have harmed their testimony as a bona fide Christian organization and given cover and support to GLSEN, whose policies are harmful to vulnerable children in our government schools. Their approach shows the potential for serious compromise to which Christian teachers expose themselves and which compromise is now endemic to K-12 public-school education.

Moore points out the track record of GLSEN. I've spent a lot of time reviewing books and curricula GLSEN recommends to students and teachers. The assumptions, ideas, and behaviors the group supports are, by and large, appalling. Based on the information I have, when I even hear this group's name, my first instinct as a mother, a Christian and a former teacher, is to say, "Run in the opposite direction as fast as you can." Never in a million years should any concerned groups of parents, educators – and certainly not Christians – sit down trustfully at a table to make an agreement with them. The likelihood of GLSEN honoring such an agreement is slim and none.

This is group that helped organize the infamous "Fistgate" workshops in Massachusetts several years ago, that taught students from area homosexual clubs as young as 14 the life-threatening practice of anal "fisting." GLSEN has pledged to establish "gay" clubs in every U.S. school, even at the grade-school level, and has already led a nationwide effort that has resulted in 3,000 such clubs being started in middle and high schools. Their book and curricular recommendations present the following in a positive light:

  • homosexual adults raising children

  • teen heterosexual and homosexual sex

  • masturbation

  • sex between young teens and adults

  • teens making homosexual hook-ups via the Internet

  • cross-dressing and surgical or hormonal sex change procedures for youth

  • use of pornography by youth

  • paganism, the occult and any spiritual practice except traditional Christianity

  • holding bigoted and hostile views about ex-homosexuals

  • holding bigoted and hostile views about traditional Christianity

Anyone who wants to check this out should go to GLSEN's Book Link-curricular selections on its website, and get some of the books and start reading.

A tremendous amount of compromise on the part of Christians is revealed by the document itself, which echoes many of the current errors in homosexual advocacy by putting traditional moral views on the defensive. The document asserts the need to promptly punish bullying and name-calling. Yet administrators have always had the power to do that. This topic is GLSEN's calling card.

They've promoted so-called "safe schools" programs and "anti-harassment" policies in schools by making exaggerated and misleading associations between opposition to homosexuality and bullying. Both types of policies often include acceptance of homosexual behavior as a way to "solve" the bullying issue, which is classic propaganda. We don't need to sign on to the unwarranted implication that Christians and the Christian faith are somehow to blame for unfortunate incidents of bullying.

GLSEN has built an entire school week in January – "No Name-Calling Week" – by building up the victim status of homosexual students. The reason so many school boards have been sold on the notion of a need for "gay" clubs is by being told that homosexual students are at higher risk than other students. While no one doubts that some bullying of students who believe they are homosexual does occur, these are sad, yet isolated incidents with no uniform characteristics. They are not the fault of Christian values.

Yet this agreement seems to lay any bullying that does occur at the feet of Christians.

This does an incredible disservice to the millions of good-hearted and peaceful Christian kids and families out there. The vast, vast majority are neighborly, civil people who would never physically or even verbally harass someone, even when they differ with them strongly. But by highlighting this issue for special prominence, it seems to imply once again that Christians provoke violence.

This same dishonest manipulation is being used by homosexual advocacy groups to push "hate crimes" laws through our legislatures and Congress, based on false information and the trend toward the criminalization of Christianity. How could these Christian educators be so gullible as to lend another building block to reinforce this false impression? Do they realize how this puts Christian kids in our schools in a continually defensive posture when it comes to standing firmly for Christian sexual morality and even sharing their faith and expressing their views? The "silence" in many school climates is the absence of Christian views – our children are too intimidated already by the overwhelming hostility.

The agreement recommends that school officials not "discriminate against student clubs." This essentially gives a green light to "gay-straight alliances." Not only is the accommodation by a Christian group on this point appalling, but it ties the hands of what Christian parents and educators ought to be doing – fighting the existence of these clubs every step of the way. Their very existence on a school campus says to every student that homosexuality is a credible option.

Homosexual clubs also undermine the truth of the Gospel. When adults who claim to be Christians stand by and allow these clubs without protest, this silence communicates one more time to kids that maybe Scripture isn't entirely correct in calling homosexuality an "abomination." No wonder Christian kids are falling away from the faith. Not only should parents, teachers and other students reserve the right to object to such clubs, they have a spiritual obligation to do so.

And, lest one should object that one religious view can't be forced on public schools, this behavior has been condemned by most cultures and most religions since time began. There remains plenty of agreement about this among people who hold a wide variety of beliefs. Supporting such consensus are the gruesome health statistics about homosexuality, which no responsible school official should ignore.

Another provision in the agreement recommends that school districts do "not have to define family in the broader culture" in order to be fair to all parents. This must please GLSEN greatly, because its recommended books like "My Two Uncles," ""Molly's Family," "Who's in a Family?" and "Daddy's Roommate" can now be available to small children without Christian objections.

Among the tips for parents in this agreement are to refrain from jumping to conclusions; to take complaints directly to school officials; and to refrain from lawsuits and informing the media. While it's always advisable for parents to meet with teachers and administrators on any concerns, parents often have little recourse when the school greets their concerns with suspicion or dismissal, or will not give them the information they ask for, or refuses to change objectionable curricula, book selections or policies. The resources available to all citizens in a democratic society should still remain at the disposal of Christian parents, including enlisting the aid of the court system, and if necessary, alerting the media.

One phrase in this agreement is particularly troubling. It says, "... it is important to reaffirm that public schools belong to all Americans. The role of school officials, therefore, is to be fair, honest brokers of a dialogue that ... seeks the common good." Yet consider what such a "common good" will involve. We would not sit down at the table with those advocating the benefits of anorexia, child abuse or binge drinking as alternate "viewpoints." Why is any school official sitting down with GLSEN, advocates of child homosexuality and gender change? And why are Christians agreeing to refrain from warning children about a behavior our faith teaches is wrong? But these Christians have done just that, and in so doing, are literally abandoning the welfare of all students in public schools.

Because of such poisonous nonsense, I have come to the conclusion that Christians who are at all able to do so should remove their children from public schools and that committed Christian educators should teach elsewhere. There's almost no way to ensure an education that even remotely resembles truth, in an atmosphere of such compromised leadership and moral confusion.



4 posted on 04/04/2006 1:39:33 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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society must address the abuse and ridicule that gay and lesbian kids face in school in order to create a safe environment

I have a better idea. Get mental help for these confused kids and they will then behave normally and not have to worry about "abuse and ridicule".

5 posted on 04/04/2006 1:42:37 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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It bothers me how so many people are making this a "Christian" issue. Educating people about the truth of Homosexuality, that it is dangerouse for men and yes that people can change... is neither Christian nor non-Christian. It's the truth plain and simple. When we catagorise actual facts as "Christian" they lose credential because they're used to support a spiritual agenda rather than the general betterment of society.


6 posted on 04/04/2006 1:52:37 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell
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I agree. As long as it is framed as the Christian view (and the legitimate Christian view is to call sin what it is, proclaim that God condemns it, and call the sinner to repentance) we will be denounced for proselytizing. But the issue can stand up outside of that context. Clearly it is an abnormal desire.


7 posted on 04/04/2006 2:05:42 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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I should add that I think the issue should stay out of the schools altogether. Just say nothing. I agree with you about the truth, but I disagree with it if becomes just one of many truths children can pick from. That's relativism.

As George Washington said, a good moral character is the first essential in a man. He should seek to not only be learned, but virtuous. If we can no longer agree on something as basic as the obvious abnormal act of homosexuality, then no view at all should be taugh. Just teach the kids to read, write and do their math without ridiculous commentary on these contentious subjects. That means "don't hit" means just that. No further explanation about homsexuals should be given.

8 posted on 04/04/2006 2:16:43 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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The teaching of any type of sexuality certainly does not belong in the elementary school. Health classes in junior high should take care of the birds and the bees if the parents haven't already had this type of talk. Informing as to sexual practices should not be the bailiwick of teachers. They are far too biased toward the peripheral rather than the norm. Whatever happens, we should protect young children from indoctrination by the politically correct.


9 posted on 04/04/2006 2:36:39 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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I really question whether the schools are even qualified to speak about the birds and bees any longer. The schools have become a marketplace for fringe groups to sell their wares. Each of these pro-gay or even ex-gay videos, books and other materials has a price tag. When you go to the websites that peddle this material you will see what I am talking about. Someone is making a lot of money off this nonsense. And I would guess a chunk of the profits gets used to fund the activism, which promotes the materials, which funds the activism....and some gets back to the politicians who promote the policies that use the materials, that fund the activism....etc.


10 posted on 04/04/2006 2:54:31 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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There are approximately 27,000 high schools in the United States (public and private). I would guess just as many middle schools and twice the number of elementary schools. So for the sake of argument, let's say we are talking about approximately 100,000 public schools. Sell one $20 video to each school and you gross $2,000,000. Sell a $10 book and you get a quick mil. Some schools buy more copies and some none, and while some of the materials cost signifcantly more, none probably cost less. So this is just rounding for the sake of argument. There's a lot of money in this propaganda business.


11 posted on 04/04/2006 3:10:04 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

To call into question the motives or purpose of an organization who made the video is worse than silly. What, should the video be distributed free of charge?


12 posted on 04/04/2006 3:17:54 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Tolerating evil IS evil.)
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To: DBeers

One if you want it!


13 posted on 04/04/2006 3:18:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Tolerating evil IS evil.)
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To call into question the motives or purpose of an organization who made the video is worse than silly. What, should the video be distributed free of charge?

Yes. It should be distributed at the makers cost or not distributed at all. That goes for all sides. If you want free speech fine. Let it be free. But don't make me pay for your nonsense.

You can say it is silly to question this if you like. I just want the facts. Who is making money off of this and exactly how much. I want the answer from all sides of this so-called agreement.

14 posted on 04/04/2006 3:40:04 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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Why don't you email Dr. Throckmorton and ask him?


15 posted on 04/04/2006 3:45:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Tolerating evil IS evil.)
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I do not have his e-mail address, and since this article is posted at Townhall.com, I think it is plenty public enough to deserve this public scrutiny. Besides, he is not the only one who needs to answer the question. How much does GLSEN make off of the public schools? Our side has only just begun to get a piece of this action. I want to know exactly who is profiting off of this stuff, and how much.


16 posted on 04/04/2006 3:54:35 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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17 posted on 04/04/2006 4:02:34 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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Yes. It should be distributed at the makers cost or not distributed at all. That goes for all sides. If you want free speech fine. Let it be free. But don't make me pay for your nonsense.

Are history texts free?

Honestly, you're conflating two issues here. One is whether anyone should make money selling to the education system. I don't think anyone's going to turn out Prentice Hall anytime soon, or forbid McGraw-Hill to do business with the State of Texas because they're for-profit.

Related to the charge of making a profit is your imputation of greed, i.e. of outsize or disproportionate profits, and also of dishonesty of some kind.

You need to separate out the issues when you limn what you're complaining about.

And for what it's worth, I don't think it's profiteering if groups that produce classroom materials try to recover their cost, if the material is accepted as course materials and appropriated for by the school board or its agents.

If someone just brings a PowerPoint show with him, that would be different, but you're in a gray area, and I don't think it helps to jump on someone who basically agrees with you that homosexuality is a Bad Thing per se.

There are gradations of disagreement. A disagreement over the appropriateness of cost recovery isn't as big a deal as disagreement over whether GLSEN's adult homosexuals should be in schools, laying out their laundry for impressionable teenaged students who are not yet equipped to deal with determined, Delphi-trained advocates on these topics.

18 posted on 04/04/2006 4:14:23 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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Ping to my last.


19 posted on 04/04/2006 4:15:22 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
How much does GLSEN make off of the public schools? Our side has only just begun to get a piece of this action. I want to know exactly who is profiting off of this stuff, and how much.

That's a fair question, and I think there's a website where you can run down who supports what. It was my impression that NGO's like GLSEN and its parents get their money from foundation grants mostly, and from contributions by gays.

The amount of liberal-controlled foundation money is like the Mississippi River, comparable to the budgets of civilized governments -- it's huge. I stumbled across the budget of a liberal foundation out West that I'd never heard of before and began reading what they were paying out and to whom (unilateral disarmament seemed to be their "thing," that and spreading negative PR for companies that worked on weapons programs), and I was amazed and appalled. These guys had their hands on real money and were handing it out like quarters in a videogame arcade to Left NGO's.

And they complain about Richard Mellon Scaife.

20 posted on 04/04/2006 4:23:42 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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