Posted on 04/04/2006 9:38:41 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
Supporters of a guest worker program that would let illegal immigrants stay in the United States said Tuesday they don't have enough Senate votes to overcome objections from conservatives who oppose the measure on grounds it amounts to amnesty.
As negotiators worked on a compromise to let those who have been here longest remain, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said a majority in the 100- member Senate support his and Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's proposal to provide green cards to illegal immigrants after they've worked in the U.S. for six years.
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No numbers. Hand waving is not productive.
Actually, the caption for that one should be "Political Panderer's Box".
The only number out there is $240 billion. Want the illegal aliens out? Furnish the cost.
Are you really assuming that it costs $80,000 to deport an illegal alien?
(Assuming 30 million illegal aliens deported over 10 years and a total cost of 240 billion each year):
2,400,000,000,000 / 30,000,000 = 80,000
They take a vacation and hope the issue has faded by the time they return.
Good. That is the cost, the only estimate at present in Congress, who would have to come up with the program. Is there another estimate?
For that pricetag you could probably pay them to go back to where they came from.
Do that, then. Buy them each a Crown Victoria as well and save our auto industry.
dMaybe in Alaska but in California construction unions are a thing of the past.
By 92 I was forced to close down a 56 year old construction company by the competition that I speak of.
The only companies still using union labor are the few survivors that are doing work on large projects where the owners are signatory such as GM where one non union worker gets the entire plant closed, had it happen at GM Van Nuys when a fired steel worker bitched to a steward that the steel company had non union help, which it didn't, but the GM plant was closed for 2 days while it was sorted out.
At this point, my estimate is that over 90% of the construction comoanies are using illegals and paying cash.
The 'only number out there' is one you made up out of whole cloth. LOL...
I think it's a BS number.
I just broke it down into a per-unit cost to make it easier to see how BS it really is.
It's called attrition and employer enforcement.
Go after employers (particularly employers with large numbers of ITNs instead of SSNs. The IRS has all the data we need). Use the document check dbase. People who can't produce a legit number/proof of identity are fired. No job, it's time for a nice long walk back home to Mexico.
There won't be a flood across our borders if there are no jobs.
Where did you get that stat?
True, Alaska is a union state. The new TransAlaska Natural Gas Pipeline, $20 billion, will be built with union labor. Even so, a number of employees show up with bogus experience claims, which if they don't screw up may go undetected.
The $240 billion is a scarecrow. Make a few high-profile busts, cut-off entitlements, and most of the economic stimulus for them to remain will evaporate. Even if you buy the $240 billion number... Each illegal alien costs the taxpayer approx $3,000/yr in entitlements. 3K x 20,000,000 = 60 Billion. The break-even point would be 4 yrs. Not a bad investment, IMHO.
Heck, all you have to do is pull up IRS tax return data and look at ITNS, plus some other indicators.
Go after the companies with large numbers of non matching employee names/ssns.
Publicize the heck out of it.
This is a lack of will, not a lack of ability.
That is Ted Kennedy's number delivered on the floor of the Senate. Want to argue with Ted Kennedy? LOL
He was claiming $240 billion a year for the next 10 years.
You're arguing using Ted Kennedy's numbers?
Okey-dokey...
I'm not sure he'd be sober enough to come up with an actual figure.
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