Posted on 04/04/2006 9:38:41 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
Supporters of a guest worker program that would let illegal immigrants stay in the United States said Tuesday they don't have enough Senate votes to overcome objections from conservatives who oppose the measure on grounds it amounts to amnesty.
As negotiators worked on a compromise to let those who have been here longest remain, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said a majority in the 100- member Senate support his and Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's proposal to provide green cards to illegal immigrants after they've worked in the U.S. for six years.
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I sure hope so. Maybe President Bush will shut up about it, too.
You avoided my question.
And your number is ridiculous.
The illegal aliens are from a system of unregistered businesses, bribery, and unrecorded property. It comes natural to them and is mystifying to others.
We don't need a deportation project and believe it or not it wouldn't cost that much more.
Enforce the laws! That means fining employers who hire illegals. Make them too afraid to NOT follow the law.
If all these poor illegal aliens are just coming here to do the work Americans refuse to do (gag) then when they can't get jobs they will go home...deport themselves.
Why is that concept too hard to follow?
Of course I would add onto maximum enforcement....NO BENEFITS, period!
Watch how fast they all return back to mexico when they can't get any benefits and can't find a job. Then interior enforcement could actually concentrate on the criminal gang members, rapists, etc that are here.
sheana <----- slaps self for making too much sense.
I am looking at the cost of deportation. We'll justify the cost later, but we have to move 12-30 million people who don't want to leave. I don't need to look at the benefits, everybody knows all that.
"No" on all three. It'll be business as usual until the unstemmed influx seriously threatens our economy and our safety. By then it may be too late.
"We don't need a deportation project and believe it or not it wouldn't cost that much more.
Enforce the laws! That means fining employers who hire illegals. Make them too afraid to NOT follow the law.
If all these poor illegal aliens are just coming here to do the work Americans refuse to do (gag) then when they can't get jobs they will go home...deport themselves.
Why is that concept too hard to follow?
Of course I would add onto maximum enforcement....NO BENEFITS, period!
Watch how fast they all return back to mexico when they can't get any benefits and can't find a job. Then interior enforcement could actually concentrate on the criminal gang members, rapists, etc that are here."
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Stop it! You're making too much sense.
There is a cost of doing this, and it is in addition to the cost of running ordinary programs. If somebody thinks the existing staffing level of enforcement is sufficient, they are encouraged to take a look at their own municipality and propose a sweep using the handful of agents currently available.
90% are not working in registered businesses. How are you going to find the 90% who are so outside the system that they can't be ID'd? 12-30 million. Going on 10% of the people in the country. You would need an army, in each municipal area.
Again, you avoided my question.
Just what kind of a price tag do you put on national sovereignty and the rule of law?
And again, your 'price tag' for deportation is outlandish.
Most would self-deport if we lowered the boom on employers. You know: By enforcing the laws that are already on the books.
see post #46 lol
You're nuts as far as construction, they are legitimate business that are paying their emoloyees off the books.
If they don't have access to drug or gambling money to launder they are paying the income taxes on their gross and still come out ahead after taxes by over 50% paying $20/hr or more.
You got your answer. Looking at the benefit side alone won't get it done. Furnish numbers.
Of course, if we'd stop all the handouts to non-working citizens, they'd suddenly be motivated to take all those "jobs that Americans don't want to do". Until we do that, there will be constant pressure to let illegals stay, since they're the only workers that employers can hire for whatever they're worth, and fire the minute they're not needed or wanted any more. In effect, the illegals have been given an unfair advantage over over citizens and legal immigrants, in large chunks of the employment market.
Okay. Guess I did. You obviously place no value on national sovereignty and the rule of law.
BS There is already a program in place to verify SS#'s for employment. Comes back in a matter of seconds. Can be done via phone or puter. No more excuses of ....the docs looked real.
Companies could be investigated on a random basis.
How did we ever enforce the immigration laws before?
As a matter of fact how do we enforce any laws?
If laws can't be enforced, all of them, then why the heck do we bother with laws?
What a weak argument "it would cost too much" is.
They say the day laborers group at Home Depot and go out on small jobs. Skilled jobs such as plumbers and operators would have credentials from the hall.
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