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I personally can't look at someone who has piercings in their nose or face. It gives me the shivers. I certainly would never do business with them. I remember years ago Dr. Laura had a girl on her show who couldn't get a job because of her outlandish appearance. She was crying tears of rage and frustration, and viewed it as discrimination. Dr. Laura read her the riot act - you can dress however you want, but people are going to judge you by how you look. The girl just didn't get it.

I can understand someone not liking piercings or tattoos. What I cannot understand is someone refusing to do business with someone because of it. Amazing. I wonder how many people who feel this way also claim to be Christians?

34 posted on 04/03/2006 8:57:57 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: Chena

Depends on the business. That decision is best left to the employer.


37 posted on 04/03/2006 8:59:23 PM PDT by presidio9 (BTW, that's a GUY, not a girl)
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To: Chena
What I cannot understand is someone refusing to do business with someone because of it.

Most business owners don't want to hire someone that will make their customers uncomfortable. It's really that simple. The fact is, if someone wants to present themselves as outside of the norms and "make a statement", they need to realize that they are relegating themselves to working in coffee shops or bars.

43 posted on 04/03/2006 9:02:13 PM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: Chena
Amazing. I wonder how many people who feel this way also claim to be Christians?

They're not being stoned. They're just not being hired.

No one has a "right" to be hired. No employer is required to have his business suffer because some employee insists on being a walking billboard of obscenities and foolishness before the business's clientele or the public.

47 posted on 04/03/2006 9:05:42 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Chena

If it gives me the creeps to look at someone, why would I want to patronize their business? I couldn't enjoy my time there. It has nothing to do with judging people.


51 posted on 04/03/2006 9:07:59 PM PDT by I still care ("For it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: Chena
"I can understand someone not liking piercings or tattoos. What I cannot understand is someone refusing to do business with someone because of it. Amazing. I wonder how many people who feel this way also claim to be Christians?"

Sounds like you're trying to bait some nice Christians here. [It's pretty clear you are not one, and generally feel that Christians are hypocrites, just like you learned in all the 1980s and 1990s movies you watched.]

But if you think it's OK that we can not approve of the appearance, then how do we express it? By calling the deformed individual names? By spitting in his face? Or by not patronizing the business he works at, and not hiring him.

That's the only way, and the politest (and yes, Christian way) to express disapproval. It would be unChristian to lambaste the moron in the street. It is entirely Christian to not patronize the business.

Now get a grip and get over your stereotypes.

63 posted on 04/03/2006 9:21:52 PM PDT by tom h
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To: Chena
I wonder how many people who feel this way also claim to be Christians?

Most of the smart ones I imagine. Christians are admonished to avoid the very appearance of sin, or haven't you read that part?

65 posted on 04/03/2006 9:23:30 PM PDT by itsahoot (Any country that does not control its borders, is not a country. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Chena
I wonder how many people who feel this way also claim to be Christians?

There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. Mk 7:15

They don't call it "self-expression" for nothing.

75 posted on 04/03/2006 9:36:12 PM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: Chena
What I cannot understand is someone refusing to do business with someone because of it.

We're afraid we'll get cooties.

217 posted on 04/04/2006 8:47:40 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Chena
I can understand someone not liking piercings or tattoos. What I cannot understand is someone refusing to do business with someone because of it.

In Japan it might be an indication you are involved with organized crime (Yakuza). Try to get a job in Japan with tattoos...

279 posted on 04/08/2006 9:40:49 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Chena
I can understand someone not liking piercings or tattoos. What I cannot understand is someone refusing to do business with someone because of it. Amazing. I wonder how many people who feel this way also claim to be Christians?

Another person who obviously knows very little about the Bible and harps on the misquoted "judge not" senerio.

Should Christians judge?
Of course believers should judge. To not judge is to be indecent, not to mention inhuman. The only kingdom in which there is no judging is the plant kingdom. For of living things, vegetables do not judge. In the animal kingdom, though, judgment is a must, and members of the Kingdom of God must do the most judging.
Jesus repeatedly taught men to judge rightly, insisting they "judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24) and He praised a man who "rightly judged" (Luke 7:43). Paul shamed the Corinthian Christians because there was no one among them willing to "judge the smallest matters" (1 Cor. 6:2). As the Apostle wrote, "He who is spiritual judges all things" for "we have the mind of Christ" (1Cor. 2:15-16).

The notion that judgment is wrong is a ludicrous one. Should child-molesters escape condemnation? Should rapists be free from criticism? Should society refrain from judging those arrested for murder? Should we call evil good? Or would that be a judgment too?
"Judge not" is the prayer of those who want to hide light under a basket. The cliché describes salt which has lost its flavor, which no longer seasons or preserves. Those seduced by this terrible lie are taken out of the game. As spectators on the sidelines, they only watch the spiritual battle. But they are in a comfort zone. Apathy is the craving. "Judge not" is the mantra for shirking responsibility.

A lie paralyzed the Church. To abhor evil, someone must first judge evil. God instructs men against "hypocrisy" commanding them to "abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9). Thus, unable to judge, and unaccustomed to abhorrence, Christians en masse become hypocrites when they obey the Hypocrites Golden Rule. For "judge not" (Mat. 7:1-5) is simply a hypocrites application of do unto others as you would have them do unto you (Mat. 7:12). "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged" (Mat. 7:2). Judge others as you would have them do unto you inverted is Judge not if you do not want to be judged. Therefore the hypocrite does not judge. As Jesus said, "Judge not… you hypocrite" (Mat. 7:1, 5 KJV; Ezek. 16:52).
Christ kept this theme throughout His ministry. "Hypocrites," Jesus said, "why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right?" (Luke 12:56-57). Still, His own followers have mostly ignored the Lord’s harsh rebuke: "Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother’s eye" (Mat. 7:5). "Judge Not" is the Hypocritical Oath.

"Judge Not" is hypocrite haven. He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. Such Christians, though, should relocate. Move into "the temple of the great God, which is being built with heavy stones" (Ezra 5:8).

Christians live in the "building" for which Christ is "the chief corner stone" (Eph. 2:20). And if that Stone falls on someone it "will grind him to powder" (Mat. 21:44; Luke 20:18; cf. Ex. 32:20). It is better to be judged by a Christian than crushed by Christ. Scripture deals with topics which range from simple to advanced truth. There is the milk which is for babes in Christ, but the meat is for men of God. The question of whether or not Christians should judge is milk. It is preschool. The newest believer discipled with any of a hundred passages would immediately understand that he must judge. Judging others is fundamental. It is not a difficult concept and should in no way be controversial.

Are members of the Body of Christ today less capable than Israel whom God commanded to "judge righteously" (Deut. 1:16-17; Lev. 19:15)? Moses appointed the head of one out of every ten households as a judge (Ex. 18:25; Deut. 1:15). Should Christians look down upon the entire book of Judges? Should America eliminate all judges, or should just the Christian judges resign? Should believers ignore Paul’s admonition? For he wrote:
"Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?" (1Cor. 6:2-5).

Notice that Christians "will judge the world!" (1 Cor. 6:2). For Paul said, "if the world will be judged by you…" God is the Judge of all the world who will delegate that judgment to His people. Even spirit beings will submit to believers: "Do you not know that we shall judge angels?" Then and now, believers should "judge... according to My judgments" (Ezek. 44:24) as God said. The Almighty commits judgment into the hands of His obedient servants (Rev. 20:4, 1 Tim. 5:24). This teaching is ancient for as Enoch, the seventh from Adam, said, "the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints to execute judgment on all" (Jude 14-15).

Jesus too said, "The men of Nineveh will rise in the judgment with this generation and condemn it..." (Mat. 12:41). And as Solomon wrote, "jealously is a husband's fury; therefore, he will not spare [the adulterer] in the day of vengeance. He will accept no recompense nor will he be appeased..." (Prov. 6:34-35). God gives the responsibility for vengeance, condemnation and judgment to His servants for "every tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord…" (Isa. 54:17).

Today, many believers are effectively saying, "Lord, thanks but no thanks. I’ll pass on that judgment stuff." But Paul responds, "Start judging now, because you will need the practice" (1Cor. 6:2-5). Remember, "he who is spiritual judges all things. For... we have the mind of Christ" (1 Cor. 2:15-16). And God will reward those who judge, and do the hard work: "Those who rebuke the wicked will have delight, and a good blessing will come upon them." (Prov. 24:25).

Jesus said, "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24).

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The context of judge not according to appearance, BUT to judge with righteous judgement... is interesting... You are to judge that person (whether you want to do business with him or NOT)... does this person seem to humble himself in the right manner (towards Jesus).. or does he seem proud of his tattoos and thus apt to influence others towards the same decision of self mutulation? That would be what ran through my mind when presented with such situation...

But you can bet the uninformed masses with their out of context "judge not" semi-quote will not affect me, the living word says to judge everything and I know it.. (silly that they are actually judging me while saying I should not do the same)...

286 posted on 04/08/2006 10:21:48 AM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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