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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I'm not interested in rhetoric.

Reality IS the fall of the administration helps only Dems and McCain. It serves no benefit to conservatives. You think otherwise, then prove it...though You cannot.

1) Dems are the minority Government.

2) RINO's are battling with conservatives for control.

3) RINO's have the upper hand because they have caucused with Democrats.

4) The Republicans that ARE conservative generally caucus with THIS administration.

Ergo, loss of THIS Executive branch results in a LOSS of power amongst struggling conservatives. Who else will they caucus with? The administration is at least, most times, open. RINO's are not. Democrats are not. Barring new elections with an increased Dem majority, full power defaults to the RINO's in wake of the fall of this administration.

If you canot accept reality I cannot help you.

Quickly addressing your other "arguments".

You can EXPECT of Bush what he said he'd do. If you expect more than he promised, this is not his fault. He didn't lie nor mislead. Most politicians do. He told you this is who he was and what he'd do, vote as you will. IF you want someone that will VETO a spending bill, make the next candidate promise to do so and make sure they hold to it. I've no sympathies for anyone upset that he doesn't do what they want, when he never promised he would.

Comparing Bush to Specter is beneath requirement of an address. I guarentee Specter wouldn't have Alito and Roberts on that Court, let alone dozens of other initiatives by this W.H. copied.

By "strategery" I presume you mean to suggest I'm a partyline faithful that would set McCain upon this country because Hillary is too awful to contemplate. How little you know me. You should probably not jump to conclusions when going into a rehearsed speech.

I've already made it clear what I intend to do this fall, and it's not canvas the block in GOTV. You earn votes, you don't get them by being "not Democrats". Unless the GOP learns that, they'll be counting me out this fall. And, just so you'll know, I've battled time and again for a couple years about McCain and Will NOT support him under any circumstance. Unless it's supporting his defeat. I've stated my intent and desire for DeWine and Chafee to lose, campaigned for them to lose infact.

Lastly, I'm not certain where you get the idea you are a "we". From what I read just here you do NOT support him. Your statment would better read, "Why do you have to wait until Bush completes walks and talks like a Specter before you stop supporting him?"

In answer, it'll be a cold day in hell when I become an unprincipled coward that walks away from a principled man because I don't have the guts nor strength to fight those like yourself or withstand policy disagreements with this President. Which I have. And I've fought him, won a few and lost a few battles. As well I've fought WITH him, and ditto to the victories and losses. But I respect him, and I love the soul of this man. I pray for him at least one a day and will continue until my dying breath. I would, however, lose respect for MYSELF if I walked away from him especially now. I'll let those that make that choice live with it, I'm not aiming to make the same choice.


30 posted on 04/04/2006 9:32:05 PM PDT by Soul Seeker ("The Republican Party is now principally moderate, if not liberal!" Arlen Specter (R-Pa))
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To: Soul Seeker
You can EXPECT of Bush what he said he'd do. If you expect more than he promised, this is not his fault. He didn't lie nor mislead.

If Bush had run either of his campaigns on a platform that included: record deficit spending, a Ted Kennedy education bill, and a Ted Kennedy amnesty for illegals he would not have been elected.
31 posted on 04/04/2006 9:36:38 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Soul Seeker
Pretty much everyone agrees that Jimmy Carter is a good and honorable person.

GWB may very well be a good and honorable person too, but that doesn't make him a conservative or good for conservatism.

GWB is putting into place organizations and procedures that if turned over to the wrong hands would be anathema to conservatives. For example giving more clout to Washington in the area of education and expanding Medicare and expanding the powers of the executive branch.

Is he trying to blackmail us into keeping Republicans in office so that Democrats dare not get their hands on the reins of the beast that he has created?

Even if he campaigned on a guest worker program, he didn't campaign on an illegal worker program. I seem to remember some things he said about people being held accountable to the law. Seems like this is one pledge he wasn't able or willing to keep.

34 posted on 04/05/2006 11:52:26 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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