The Mexicans are unlike previous immigrants. This definitely needs to be read by everyone at least once! It should be linked on pertinent immigration threads. Here's an interesting link about Samuel Huntington:
Posted on 04/02/2006 7:55:32 PM PDT by RWR8189
MIDLAND, Texas — Cecilia Ochoa Levine was a Mexican trying to make it in America. But when she hit upon a promising business opportunity, to make knapsacks south of the border to sell in the United States, she could not get the trade permits she needed.
And so Levine asked for help from a longtime friend in Texas, where she had been a legal resident for many years.
The friend was George W. Bush.
Within a week, Levine was on a plane to Washington for a meeting with trade officials. And soon after, she had the papers to expand her business, creating dozens of jobs at plants in El Paso and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico.
Not everyone would have been willing to use his influence to help a Mexican citizen start a company, particularly one creating jobs in Mexico as well as in the U.S. But Bush's actions of 21 years ago help explain why today, as president, he is striking an unusually nuanced tone on the emotional question of immigration policy — a stance that has placed him at odds with the conservative Republicans who have long formed the base of his political support.
"Here was this single mother, Mexican, no money, starting a tiny little business," recalled Levine. She phoned Bush because his father was then vice president and "he was willing to use his connections in Washington to help me out. He understood it would mean jobs for poor people."
Long before the immigration fight that is rattling the nation, Bush developed a picture of immigration from his life in Midland, where he knew Levine and other Mexican immigrants personally and came to see both sides of the border as part of the same universe.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
you haven't lived and worked with the legals and the illegals for 30 plus years.. I have.. personal experience.. the smart ones do things right and become citizens... the dumb ones risk their lives and the lives of their families, cross the border illegally, commit crimes, or work for less than minimum wage. How smart is that?
And Richard Lynn advocates that embryos from women be culled, so that only the most "promising" of them survive.
You introduced this cretin with your link. His arguments extend way beyond just the recognition that intelligence varies, which, if you'll pardon me, any idiot can observe.
He means to filter out, the "undesireables" through eugenics.
PHD's don't want to clean toilets, lay asphalt, or pick peaches.
The five-minute video, narrated by Bush, opens with an image of him fishing on his property near Crawford, Texas, as he essentially described millions of Americans who populate his home state as the true foreigners in someone else's native land.
"About 15 years before the Civil War, much of the American West was northern Mexico," Bush says in the video. "The people who lived there weren't called Latinos or Hispanics. They were Mexican citizens, until all that land became part of the United States.
"After that, many of them were treated as foreigners in their own land," Bush adds.
Unbelievable.......
Unfortunately, people with your outlook will have him standing in line behind illegal immigrants, as almost every factory in our area is now hiring illegals. And when he does get hired, his wages will be depressed because your illegal immigrants are here as cheap labor, paid under the table. They attend our schools, yet pay no income taxes. They use our hospital emergency rooms, and we pick up the tab (else the hospital goes bankrupt). The list goes on, but I'm certain you've read it all before.
American citizens should not have to compete with third-world wages.
I've never seen so many replys removed from one thread! Must be some kind of FR record.
The Mexicans are unlike previous immigrants. This definitely needs to be read by everyone at least once! It should be linked on pertinent immigration threads. Here's an interesting link about Samuel Huntington:
Bump!
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Michele Waslin, Director of Immigration Policy Research at the National Council of La Raza, the country's largest Latino civil rights and advocacy organization.
MICHELE WASLIN: Well, I think that that's really difficult to answer at this moment. Certainly, there are many problematic features in the House bill and in the Senate bill. However, I do know that there is bipartisan support for real comprehensive reform. We see Senators McCain and Kennedy joined on the same bill. We saw bipartisan support in the judiciary committee. I think that people from both parties know that the business groups, organized labor, ethnic groups, immigrant rights groups, the churches, are all in favor of a comprehensive immigration bill. And you certainly don't want to alienate any of those major groups, especially during an election year, so I think that there's still a great opportunity for the Senate to be reasonable and rational and pass a good comprehensive solution. But, unfortunately, as you mentioned, whatever the Senate passes will have to be reconciled with the House bill, and that is going to be very difficult, unless the House makes a sudden change and decides that it can support a more comprehensive approach to immigration reform.
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The proposal was criticized by border state Democrats, who said they're concerned the volunteer forces actually would hamper border enforcement.
Immigration and Hispanic rights groups complained the measure could exacerbate lawlessness on an already volatile and violent border.
"It creates and legitimizes vigilantes who want to take the law into their own hands," said Michele Waslin, director of immigration policy research for the National Council of La Raza, the nation's largest Latino rights group.
La Raza = "The Race"
Michele Waslin, spokeswoman for the National Council of La Raza, a leading Latino organization, pointed to a 1994 effort in California to deny social services to illegal immigrants and their families.
“It really isolated Latinos from the Republican Party for a long time in California, and it still hasn’t recovered,” Waslin said. “Some of the rhetoric gets very ugly.”
Let me help you out with your dilemma; its very simple what needs to be done first. Ignore the 11-20 Million lawless invaders already inside the border [for now]. Instead, close the border down tighter than a bulls ass in fly season. Use rubber bullets and/or lethal force to do so. Completely shut down the flow of illegals entering the country [which is estimated at 3-5 thousand per day].
Once that has been accomplished, then we can all sit around and debate what to do with the free-loaders.
Does that help? Does that clear things up for you? I hope so. Any debate on this issue is completely and totally meaningless unless we can all agree, that we need to seal the border [by whatever means is effective and absolute].
Nonsense...Americas strength is Americans...and immigrants who by the millions want to come here know that. Thats why they want to be here...Check the instruction manual...the horse goes in front of the cart.
If we accept your statement, it as if America needs immigrants...its the other way around...
We are who we are because of our founding fathers and the principals they set forth...we are not defined by the millions who have come to enjoy and enjoin this nation and its ideals.
I am sick and tired of hearing that we are who are because of some ethnic ingress...nonsense.
We are Americans, and the envy of those who want to come here...and we are certainly not who we are because some certain groups want to join us... WE ARE AMERICANS...and we ought take pride in that for its own sake...not because vast amounts of third world populations want to come here and share a piece of the pie. Americans baked THAT pie...try not to forget that...
Folks keep asking me about it, so it's posted--with some identifiers out of the picture--here.
Posted at The Corner on NRO
Who's fark?
Waslin said, bills such as the Real ID Act would require a distinctive driver’s license for immigrants, and the Clear Act would require all state and local police officers to enforce federal immigration laws. Such measures would damage the well-being of immigrants, she said.
Michele Waslin, director of immigration policy research for the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy organization that opposes any effort to revoke birthright citizenship.
“This was always seen in the past as some extreme, wacko proposal that never goes anywhere,” she said. “But these so-called wacko proposals are becoming more and more mainstream — it’s becoming more acceptable to have a discussion about it.”
Michele Waslin with the Hispanic advocacy organization National Council of La Raza reflected Francisco’s concerns. "We don’t want to set up a system that encourages abuses," she said, "so we need to make sure that employers are paying decent wages and abiding by wage and hour laws."
Waslin added: "Immigrant workers have to have the opportunity to organize, to come forward and complain, to lodge a complaint or sue if the contract is not being met. We think that workers should also have the opportunity to stay here permanently if the job becomes permanent."
This may be "personal" with him but it may well end up driving him from office.
I have always believed that there was a strong emotional component to President Bush's views on illegal immigration (unlike some Republicans who clearly love only the below minimum wage labor illegals provide). This is why no politician from a border state should be elected President; Republicans in particular are suckers for Horatio Alger stories of hard working successful immigrants. That having been said, the President (any President), must emotionally detach himself, and act in the best interests of this nation, as opposed to the illegal immigrant friends he has made over the years.
W is naive at times. He was naive regarding the nature of his political opponents in Washington. He's naive about illegal immigrants also.
He is probably using the figures quoted by Richard Lynn in his highly controversial book (discredited by most of his academic peers): IQ and the Wealth of Nations.
In order for this argument to make sense you would have to believe that:
1. IQ is an accurate measure of intelligence. Most psychologist would argue that intelligence is multidimensional and cannot be accurately measured by existing IQ tests.
2. IQs can be compared across cultures on an apples to apples basis. Again, most psychologist would argue that existing IQ tests have inherent cultural biases that make them difficult or impossible to extrapolate across cultures.
3. Eugenics is ethical and constitutes good public policy. I think the world has "been there, done that" and hopefully we've learned something from it.
Full disclosure: I am a Mexican national (legal immigrant, working for a bulge bracket investment bank in New York and yes, my IQ is well above 87).
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