Confusing the Issues Ping!
Posted on 04/02/2006 7:55:32 PM PDT by RWR8189
MIDLAND, Texas — Cecilia Ochoa Levine was a Mexican trying to make it in America. But when she hit upon a promising business opportunity, to make knapsacks south of the border to sell in the United States, she could not get the trade permits she needed.
And so Levine asked for help from a longtime friend in Texas, where she had been a legal resident for many years.
The friend was George W. Bush.
Within a week, Levine was on a plane to Washington for a meeting with trade officials. And soon after, she had the papers to expand her business, creating dozens of jobs at plants in El Paso and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico.
Not everyone would have been willing to use his influence to help a Mexican citizen start a company, particularly one creating jobs in Mexico as well as in the U.S. But Bush's actions of 21 years ago help explain why today, as president, he is striking an unusually nuanced tone on the emotional question of immigration policy — a stance that has placed him at odds with the conservative Republicans who have long formed the base of his political support.
"Here was this single mother, Mexican, no money, starting a tiny little business," recalled Levine. She phoned Bush because his father was then vice president and "he was willing to use his connections in Washington to help me out. He understood it would mean jobs for poor people."
Long before the immigration fight that is rattling the nation, Bush developed a picture of immigration from his life in Midland, where he knew Levine and other Mexican immigrants personally and came to see both sides of the border as part of the same universe.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
I don't recall this, at all.
This latest generation of illegals isn't assimilating like previous waves of legal immigrants did - that's the difference.
I do. Bush is not going to be impeached, much less convicted. Democrats running for president are not going to want their party to run the risk of driving Bush's numbers up.
I don't think the Democrats are going to win either House anyway. So far, the Democrats have offered nothing but "we ain't Republicans" as their platform.
Ping list, if you please.
A few other things our alleged "friends" from south of the border did over 9-11, just off the top of my head:
Made and PROUDLY sold some plastic items with the twin towers being destroyed by a plane, as a toy.
Also, during at least one soccer match vs the US team, the whole place chanted "OSAMA! OSAMA!"
Those are our good buddies, El presidente's family values guest workers, Karl Rove's pie in the sky family values voters.
We don't need illiterate third world immigrants who hate us, refuse to assimilate, get on the dole like parasites, and maintain loyalty to their old country. I'm a republican voter who is furious that somehow the GOP thinks our literate nation is going to DIE without more illiterate third worlders who hate us!
Oh, and the jobs americans won't do? I did them in high school to get a car and pay the insurance on it, and to put myself through school after college. DOn't even try to shove that down my throat guys.
| We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture. Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende. For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America. As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico. George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000. |
Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:
In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster
There is much mis-info posted on the this subject that can be disputed, but ignoring all that for the moment, the biggest error in measuring the economic impact of illegals and/or illegals is how that impact is measured.
Well in the past, methods of measuring the impact were developed for earlier immigrants and these methods are still in use.
The erroneous method of measuring impact, which is used by all the anti websites and duplicated at FR, is the called the "snapshot" method. In this method, the impact is measured at a given time and at that time only.
The accepted method that economists use is called the "thru time" method in which the impact is measured over time, to include long periods of time.
An immigrant,legal or illegal, will always have a very high negative impact in the beginning, but thru time the immigrant becomes less negative and more positive. If the succeeding generation is averaged with the original generation the impact becomes even more positive. In the case of the Great Irish immigration, which was very negative using the snapshot method, averaging all the the succeeding generations, the negative impact of the original immigrant cannot even be discerned today.
Additionally, the economists also measure the collective impact. The US admits wide variation of immigrants with a wide variation of skills and a wide variation of earning capacity. Attempts are made to measure the collective impact of all immigrants. In this method, they are actually measuring the impact of immigration policy rather than immigrants.
I apologize for not providing any links on this subject but it has been well explained at CATO, Heritage, and the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank websites.
I just don't see them as bad citizens as many people in California, Texas or Arizona do. Most Mexicans who may be illegals around Indiana are hard-working decent people who only seem to take jobs most people would not want. The fact is most people outside of the states that border Mexico just don't see it as a big issue. The anti-immigration folks are fighting an uphill battle, IMHO.
Huh? But illegals aren't "citizens" at all. And, exactly what jobs are these illegal immigrants doing that Americans don't want to do? Be specific.
Yes you are correct. We allow about that many legal aliens yearly from all countries. About 10 percent are muslim.
That rate of mostly third world immigration, however, apparently isn't transforming our homeland fast enough for bottom-wage-seeking businesses, ethnic lobbies, or their kept boys in Congress and the White House.
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I saw similar videos, but I do not take what may be isolated incidents to seriously. Television distorts reality. You can have millions of citizens, and only a few dozen do something like that, where do you thnk the television cameras will focus?
The demonstrations in our streets by so many illegal aliens, and their displayed contempt for not only our law but for our nation itself, were far more informative.
Interesting. Well, I do not believe Arkansas, Missouri, or Kansas are border states with Mexico (though I understand some mexicans would disagree), but the immigration issue is taken VERY seriously around here.
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