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Calm Down.

The number 1 item in the President's proposal is Border Security. Almost all of the rest of BOTH the House and Senate bills can be tossed out because Border Security will take care of EVEN THOSE ALREADY HERE.

You see, many of those will self deport. They will have a parent die and attend the funeral. They will long to visit family and will go do so. Once they do, they can't get back in.

Frankly, the President's plan would be fine. It's all a matter of emphasis. Border Security is listed 1st, but it should also be talked about more than anything else. A strict guest worker plan will not encourage more influx if border security is good. I think most would accept some sort of guest worker plan, but let's arrange it to be on a schedule and that schedule would be . . . perhaps starting 3-4 years after Border Security has reduced the influx by 90% or some statistic like that.

Note that if the influx stops, the guest worker plan will have fewer and fewer participants as they endure their strict criminal punishment, pay their debt to society as former lawbreakers and become citizens.


34 posted on 04/02/2006 8:30:49 AM PDT by Owen
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To: Owen
You see, many of those will self deport. They will have a parent die and attend the funeral. They will long to visit family and will go do so. Once they do, they can't get back in.

Not if they legalize their status. They can come and go without fear of not being allowed back in. In any event, it hasn't stopped them until now.

Frankly, the President's plan would be fine. It's all a matter of emphasis. Border Security is listed 1st, but it should also be talked about more than anything else.

Easier said than done. The MSM and Dems have demagoged the wall idea. Any real crackdown on security along the 700 miles of border will bring all kinds of political protest. We don't have the stomach or political will to seal off the border. We catch now over a million a year trying to enter the country. We estimate that another 500,000 enter illegally each year. I bet the number is higher than that.

A strict guest worker plan will not encourage more influx if border security is good.

And how do you enforce it, if the "guest workers" decide to overstay their welcome and disappear into East LA or elsewhere? Deport them? LOL. I don't know what you mean by strict when we don't even pursue the folks who are already here.

I think most would accept some sort of guest worker plan, but let's arrange it to be on a schedule and that schedule would be . . . perhaps starting 3-4 years after Border Security has reduced the influx by 90% or some statistic like that.

You place too much stock in our will to control our borders and invest the resources needed to do it. In any event, half the camel is already under the tent. The number of children (aka anchor babies) born to illegals will ensure their stay here without legalization thru this program.

Note that if the influx stops, the guest worker plan will have fewer and fewer participants as they endure their strict criminal punishment, pay their debt to society as former lawbreakers and become citizens.

Why should they participate in such a program? If I were one of them, I would not disclose my whereabouts, pay a fine and taxes, undergo a background check, and wait for 6 to 11 years to gain citizenship. OTOH, if I were in Mexico now and saw the program as a way to jump the line, I would get into the US as quickly as possible before the borders are secured, if indeed that were to happen.

38 posted on 04/02/2006 9:41:16 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Owen

The number 1 item in the President's proposal is Border Security.



They don't secure the border or enforce the laws we have NOW, you are going to buy this BS?


52 posted on 04/02/2006 5:38:00 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (If I wanted to live in Mexico, I'd FRIGGING MOVE THERE!)
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