The Most Important Fact Congress and Illegal Advocates Have Overlooked, Or Ignored

Various | 4/1/06 | Technomage

[Das Outsider]

We do not need illegals to pick crops..felons would do just fine. Welfare recipients would do just fine...

Your solution fits your handle (an allusion to the Doc?). I agree. The ones telling us that America needs labor from illegal aliens are many times those who are already committed to using it and want more.

At last check, both parties were trying to warm us to the idea of accepting greater dependency on foreign labor. You can't make a salad without cheap lettuce and an omelet requires breaking a few eggs--or so goes the thinking.

[HiJinx]

And I really doubt that illegals are chipping in on the SSI thing, anyway.

Many of them are. Look into the dirtly little secret regarding the Master Suspense File and all the companies who've paid into Social Security for bogus workers.

[Mr. Mojo]

AFL-CIO Calls for Amnesty

[TomGuy]

OBTW, that list of coutries from which SIOTMs come includes Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Libya, and Chechnya. If you (that's general, not you specifically) don't think they're here, then you're either ignorant or stupid. One condition is curable, the other will follow you to your grave.

One aspect that gets overlooked and lost in the mire is this:

How did all these OTM get to Mexico, and why? Mexico supposedly controls its own southern border and has a strict illegals-in-Mexico policy.

Who, then, are these (especially the Middle Eastern ones) OTMs paying off to even get into Mexico, so they can then get into the US and, again, why? [The 'why' should be rhetorical.]

[glowworm]

you want your children to live in a third world tower of Babel? We dont want that. But, if we dont do something that is JUST what will happen. Thank God I am old and have no children. What Will Happen..sickens me. The way to stop it? Well, like Bill O'Reilly says..a civil war is brewing.

There has been a civil war brewing here for 75 years. It is with the Leninists, Communists, Liberals, Progressives or wantever is the current new name. The illegal problem is not a war between civilians/citizens but with foreign governments attempting an INVASION by stealth. As Micheal Savage says.. it is all about losing our borders, our language, our culture and thus our country and identity, and eventually our National Identity. If you look at the loss of the above items, you will see, clearly, what is happening.. The CIVIL WAR is occurring in our Congress.

[brytlea]

Makes sense to fix the one with the biggest problem first. We can then worry about the Canadian border, if we start to have zillions of people pouring in....
susie

[mtbopfuyn]

Amazingly, BJ actually admitted today in another link (can't remember which one???) that there were indeed terrorists sneaking across the border. Sadly, for all of us, Bush refuses to admit it and act upon it.

[Mr. Mojo]

"Excuse me"

AFL-CIO Rejects Guest Workers, Just Wants Amnesty

You're excused.

[hosepipe]

[ No my friend, I must differ. The most important thing right now is protection of the citizens of this country and its borders from terrorists and foriegn criminals. If we have a terror attack or numerous ones, it will make no difference if you are Democrat or Republican. If you are in the terror zone, you will be dead or injured. ]

So then; you are not interested in solving "the problem"..
The long term problem, which intitally political.. Since RINOs are in effect democrats.. It also effects the increase of RINOs too.. We have "the problem" because of democrats and RINOS and the answer to "the problem" is less voting democrats and RINOS..

I see that you are in denial too.. not denial of the problem but denial of the answer.. Another fact for you.. The ONLY thing republicans and democrat leaders agree on IS... distraction from any real solution to the Mexican border.. AND all the illegal AND LEGAL proto democrats(Rinos) in the U.S. right now.. (and GROWING daily)..

Most terrorists have the resources to afford to FLY into the U.S. from many countries.. Terrorists coming thru Mexican border would be unusal.. possible but unsual.. The democrat party(and republican RINOS) are Americas most vital threat to National Security.. solve that problem ALL the others can be handled DON'T solve that problem and ANY solution is merely a gambit.. a losing gambit..

[technomage]

Who, then, are these (especially the Middle Eastern ones) OTMs paying off to even get into Mexico

More than likely Mexican government officials or workers. Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries in this hemisphere.

[HiJinx]

Thanks...looks like I was half right.

[dljordan]

Oops! My bad.

[dljordan]

" The way to stop it? Well, like Bill O'Reilly says..a civil war is brewing."

Unfortunately he may be right.

[Mojave]

Sorry, but losing hundreds of lives to murder, putting thousands of others through lifelong torment because they were raped, or beaten in an aggravated assault or robbery is not a small price to pay for the families and individuals victimized.

But, the illegal proponents, the open border proponents, the Congress and the President (yup, I said it) seem to think this is a small price.

Not that they'll say so openly.

[DumpsterDiver]

49,000 illegal aliens in federal prisons. 49,000 illegals that commited serious crimes in our country after crossing the border. This is data that cannot be debated as these are facts as reported by the GAO.

I'd like to debate it (sort of) because I think the number of incarcerated illegals is higher than that. Did the GAO only count the illegals in federal prisons? If so, we'd still need to add in the number of illegals in city/county jails and those in state prisons.

If you get a chance, there are some crime stats and links on this old thread.

 

[Buffettfan]

Our elected officials are willing to except a certain amount of collateral damage (American lives) in exchange for globalism, cheap labor, multi-culturalism and diversity.

[Dante3]

I agree. The southern border needs a fence immediately and I've no opposition to having also one on the northern border.

Going after the employers of illegals would be a big step in the right direction. Many illegals (as well as legal immigrants), however, come here not for jobs but to commit crimes, get on welfare, or form terrorist cells.

Considering the large numbers of these illegals who are roaming our country, massive deportations are essential. They can be directly by roundup or encouraging them to leave on their own accord (by clamping down on perks, etc.)

[planekT]

HiJinx, a great post. It's people like you and Travis McGee and many, many others who bring this rot into the light for all to see.

Now about those OBL types. On this forum, they are, well, as Travis always says, they are good for keeping the threads bumped.

Do you support or oppose H.R. 4437, the Border Protection, Anti-terrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005?

Support 82.2%

Oppose 17.8%

[Das Outsider]

you want your children to live in a third world tower of Babel?

You're assuming that Hispanic illegals--since the majority are just that--assimilate. They tend not to because it isn't required of them. The problem in the future would not be seventeen languages spoken in the state of California alone--it would be the one official language: Spanish.

We are the Celts; illegals are the Angles and Saxons. Our leaders have called, not for military assistance, but labor--if we can draw an historical parallel here.

Well, like Bill O'Reilly says..a civil war is brewing.

I can't imagine BOR saying anything that polarized. Perhaps he was referring to the battle between "secularism and traditionalism" in which he fancies himself a warrior.

[dalereed]

"How did all these OTM get to Mexico"

The Chinese illegals that I was approached to fly were landed on remote beaches from ships full of them from China.