The Most Important Fact Congress and Illegal Advocates Have Overlooked, Or Ignored

Various | 4/1/06 | Technomage

[dalereed]

The OTM numbers are a joke.

First off most of them are paying from $10-50k to get from their country of origin to the US and no doubt have sophisticated cyotees bringing them in.

In 86 when I had to fly to Brown Field (San Diego) to pick up a passanger while I waited for him in the restaruant/bar I was talking to a bunch of BP agents and at that time they stated that about 20% of the illegals coming across were from Asia and the Middle east. I'm sure that the numbers haven't changed that much.

Those people aren't living under bushes or in cardboard boxes like the Mexicans, Central and So. Americans and are taken into their respected communities and protected and disapear.

As to the sophistication of the operations, in 85 I was approached and offered $1,000/head to fly Chinese from a private airstrip near Guadalahara to a private airstrip near the US border so they could move them past the Mexican checkpoints in their highways. At that time they were paying $10,000/head to get from China to the US which tells me that it was no doubt government money and commies that were being sent here.

[Das Outsider]

Prepare to be personally insulted as posters will call you a liar, racist and whatever else they can think of while ignoring the facts.

"Xenophobic" was March's Slur of the Month with regard to the UAE port deal. I'm curious to see what they've got in store for April with the immigration situation receiving more attention from the MSM.

My guess, if I were to hazard one, would be "anti-business." Haven't seen that one around lately.

[tertiary01]

My guess, if I were to hazard one, would be "anti-business." Haven't seen that one around lately.

It's already being bandied around here today by the OBLs.

[cripplecreek]

My guess, if I were to hazard one, would be "anti-business." Haven't seen that one around lately.

Anti Business and more from the usual suspect in this thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1607412/posts

[Das Outsider]

Both Europe and the USA have adopted the same cure.. .import lots and lots of immigrants. Europe has it worse .. since their choice of high breeding immigrants is pretty much limited to Muslims.

And in a Vortigernesque way neither the leaders of Western European nations nor the U.S. understand that the immigrants coming in will not assimilate. The French are still stuck on the myth that poverty causes terrorism.

[monkeywrench]

We need to streamline the legal immigration process and kick the anarchists out.

[Das Outsider]

It's already being bandied around here today by the OBLs

Then how about "anti-capitalist?" The former term isn't strong enough for good demonizing propaganda. One has to make their ideological opponent look like Hitler--or worse, Buchanan.

You aren't against capitalism, are you, Johnson?

[Mr. Mojo]

My guess, if I were to hazard one, would be "anti-business."

And "pro-union" (even though the unions have been supporting the proposed amnesty).

[Savage Land]

I show you these statistics to try and give you a perspective on the sheer size of the problem along our border

President Bush, for all his compassion, seems to ignore the truth. Bush is a leader. Where, I wonder, is he leading us?

[moehoward]

TRUTH bump

[Das Outsider]

And "pro-union" (even though the unions have been supporting the proposed amnesty).

LOL, yes. It doesn't matter how far one gets from the truth, just so long as it sounds good and has a lot of thrust to it.

Would that make them "anti-union?" So are they in favor of lower wages, longer hours, poor working conditions, and child labor?

See, like that.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for the reasoned comments. You are exactly right. I appreciate you speaking out on this subject. I believe conservatives have a duty to do so.

I will also tell you that I am utterly humiliated for those who claim to be conservative, and can't see a thing wrong with illegal aliens.

Those 49,000 illegal immigrants have killed, maimed, raped, molested, assaulted, GTA'd, robbed, burgled, defrauded, coerced and worse their way into prison. We were primised in 1986 that our borders would be closed to illegal aliens if only we'd make those here then in violation of our laws, legal. We did and got screwed by our political operatives for doing so.

There shouldn't have been one victim if illegal alien crime since the 1986 naturalization process was finalized. Instead many have died, many have had their lives turned upside down. Many children have grown up without a father or mother. Where on God's green earth is compashing for them?

Nope, only the illegal alien warrants compasion in this nation turned upside down.

[Savage Land]

My point is that if it's going to be pitched as a terrorism issue, then you have to protect all the borders, not just the southern one.

Not necessarily. I for one, see Mexico and this illegal invasion as Terrorism.

Still, I'd like to close both borders considering the stance both Mexico and Canada took on the WOT.

Why are we kissing their behinds?

[Das Outsider]

Why are we kissing their behinds?

Economic reasons?

[cripplecreek]

Those of us in the northern border states are concerned about it. Fortunately Canada is a lot more cooperative. Another advantage is the fact that we don't have millions of Canadians illegally slipping across the border acting as camouflage.

[technomage]

We were primised in 1986 that our borders would be closed to illegal aliens if only we'd make those here then in violation of our laws, legal. We did and got screwed by our political operatives for doing so.

Actually it goes further back then that. I recollect that in 1964/1965 time frame one Edward Kennedy pushed through some sort of immigration bill (the name escapes me now) during which he told the nation that this bill would in no way change the demographics of this country.

Of course, we was very wrong then and he is very wrong now.

Truly amazing: A politican can be wrong 95% of the time and still be voted into office.

[Das Outsider]

And speaking of immigration and France, though it's in the latest articles and dated 3-29:

Here

[DoughtyOne]

95%? My aren't we generous! LOL, just kidding.

With him I'd still bet it's closer to 99.66%.

I didn't remember the 1960s fix.

I'm just not buying anything short of a wall, and limited access from here on out.

Guest workers? The jobs get done when there are no illegal aliens around. Don't kid yourself. We need those folks like a spare... well nevermind. It's about fifteen years beyond when we should have gotten serious, and now we'll have to live with the results.

We better or we'll be facing the present situation squared in another decade.

[Savage Land]

Economic reasons?

We do not need illegals to pick crops..felons would do just fine. Welfare recipients would do just fine.

Heck with "dignity" for felons and able-bodied welfare families. THEY should take the jobs no one else wants and we should end this invasion of our country.

Propaganda says we need illegals. Only Propaganda.

[Smokin' Joe]

You don't suppose the couple that would kill their own baby by abortion

...Well, Tator, I dont expect they would like to put up the money for grandma and grampa to retire on after the Congress pi$$ed it all away.

But if they and others of their ilk had let the 45,000,000 or so babies since Roe v Wade be born, grow up and pay their taxes, just maybe we wouldn't have that problem.

And I really doubt that illegals are chipping in on the SSI thing, anyway.