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Canada: GUNS AND GANGS: Gun violence is on the rise
The Surrey Leader (British Columbia) ^ | 3/31/06 | Dan Ferguson

Posted on 04/01/2006 9:43:17 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

By Dan Ferguson Staff Reporter Mar 31 2006

Everyone was having a good time until the fight began and someone started shooting.

When a 29-year-old Surrey man exchanged insults with four young Indo-Canadian men at Garry T’s pub at 72 Avenue and Scott Road, the confrontation escalated and one of the Indo-Canadians produced a handgun and started shooting, inflicting multiple wounds – one of them fatal.

The Dec. 8, 2005 incident is just one of many in Surrey and other Lower Mainland communities where a gunfight has erupted in a public place, with bullets being sprayed indiscriminately with no concern for innocent bystanders.

According to police, the number of shooting incidents nearly doubled last year, fuelled by a “bad boy” mentality that sees young men with no criminal past packing handguns to bolster a tough-guy image.

As a result, disputes that would have ended in a fistfight or an exchange of insults are turning into potentially fatal encounters.

When police find the men responsible for such incidents, there is a good chance that they won’t have adult or youth criminal records, RCMP Staff Sgt. John Ward says.

“It’s the bad boy image. It’s young men who are in this lifestyle.”

Handguns were used in eight of 17 confirmed homicides in Surrey last year, including the May 13 murder of 30-year-old Dean Mohamed Elshamy, who died in a hail of gunfire at a Mac’s store across the street from Garry T’s.

Elshamy did not have a criminal record.

Ward says the number of shooting incidents has risen noticeably in the Lower Mainland, but he cannot provide precise figures for Surrey.

Vancouver p olice statistics, however, suggest the rate of shooting incidents has roughly doubled from the previous year.

Most of the gunplay is happening in the South Asian community, according to the Integrated Gang Task Force (IGTF).

A summary report, “Responses to gang violence,” indicates the task force is concentrating on gang activity within South Asian groups “due to (their) high profile and level of violence.”

The gang task force was revived in 2004 at the urging of Indo-Canadian community leaders, seven months after it was quietly wound down.

While the first task force was created to co-ordinate work between different police agencies on a small number of existing gang cases, the new force can launch its own investigations.

The IGTF has 60 full-time police officers and 13 civilian staff from all municipal departments and RCMP detachments in the Lower Mainland.

In its report, the IGTF says the loosely knit criminal groups that function within the South Asian community are smaller and far more chaotic than traditional gangs.

They are “unstructured organizations” with fewer participants than traditional gangs “... networked along family lines and neighbourhoods (with) alliances frequently developed from school,” the report states. “Criminal relationships (in South Asian gangs) are fluid – allies one minute, enemies the next.”

The report cites statistics showing there has been an increase in significant incidents in gang-related violent acts, with over 80 homicides between 1994 and 2005 “related to Indo-Canadian gang violence.”

Kidnapping offences have more than doubled since 1999, from 150 to 360 in 2004.

“The majority of crimes are opportunistic – extortion, kidnapping, drug ‘rips,’ drug smuggling, homicides and violent acts.”

In a perverse way, the report suggests, the bad boys with the guns still adhere to traditional Sikh values of “image, status, reputation and respect.”

On an Internet chat group, Surrey blogger “Raj” confirms this, saying the guns and gangster attitude are a way to get respect.

“I’m all for some arrogant racist white guy getting put in check for making a racist comment to a Desi,” Raj says.

“It’s empowering to be a Desi thug, to have these a..holes who look down on us, to fear us. It’s good in a way, for us to unite and look out for each other.” He complains that established gangs like the Chinese triads and white outlaw bikers are using the less well-organized South Asians as their pawns.

“These long established gangs... are able to get the most out of the situation by making the Desis compete with each other,” Raj observes.

Research by VIRSA, the Sikh Alliance Against Violence, shows that “gender inequality” and authoritarian parenting may help create bad boys.

The studies show “many young boys killed in gang violence were either the only son or the first son in the family,” writes Harbans Singh Kandola, president of VIRSA.

“Parents give boys everything they want such as expensive cars, permission to come home late and other special treatment while girls are restricted and treated differently.”

Kandola says there is often poor communication between immigrant parents and their Canadian-raised offspring. “The common complaint of our boys and young girls is that their parents do not listen to them. Some describe their communication with their parents as talking to a brick wall. Children growing in western culture do not take orders, they ask for logical discussion and logical answers rather than decisions being forced on them.”

VIRSA is campaigning for public education programs and early intervention to prevent more young men from joining the gun culture.

Staff Sgt. Ward has some practical suggestions in the meantime, saying patrons of pubs, bars and other night spots should be aware of the potential risk posed by aggressive young men packing concealed weapons.

“They have to be aware of their surroundings,” Ward says. “You can’t ignore the fact ... that innocent bystanders have been hurt.”

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Staying out of trouble:

Getting into a fight with a stranger is never a good idea, but it can be fatal now that guns are becoming an increasingly common fashion accessory for some young men.

The day when disputes could be settled with "fists in a back lane and a handshake after" are long gone, cautions Const., Shinder Kirk, spokesman for the Lower Mainland Integrated Gang Task Force.

"There's been an evolution" of violence," from fists to knives to guns.

He says people need be "extremely cautious" about getting into confrontations.

If there's a dispute, "Walk away and let the authorities handle it, Kirk says.

"You never know if the other person will have a gun." Night clubbing has become rougher in the last 10 years, according to one poster to a local Internet forum about cub violence.

" I'm from Surrey and never go to a club there without 10 buds ... that's all i gotta say," he wrote. "It's that bad."

Another writer said there is more gang-style violence now than there used to be.

"When I started clubbing back in the early '90s I never saw any fights where there were four on one. It was frowned upon by everyone," he said.

"Back in the day, two individuals would go outside and duke it out. After it was finished, win or lose, both people would walk away with respect. Nowadays you get a bunch of punks who feel they are tough by ganging up on an individual."


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
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1 posted on 04/01/2006 9:43:19 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

yeah but i thought handguns were not allowed in canada so this couldnt have happened


2 posted on 04/01/2006 9:45:42 AM PST by leaky acres mac
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To: kiriath_jearim
Ah, isn't diversity a wonderful thing, until it turns to adversity, then blame the guns, not the degenerates and imported perps.
3 posted on 04/01/2006 9:48:33 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis
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To: kiriath_jearim
"Indo-Canadian" and "South Asian": code words for Muslims

Canada's previous low crime rate had nothing to do with guns, and everything to do with the ethnic composition of Canada prior to the current wave of immigration

4 posted on 04/01/2006 9:48:39 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: kiriath_jearim; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; ..
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5 posted on 04/01/2006 9:49:06 AM PST by fanfan ( We have become the best/biggest news gathering entity in the whole known history of the world.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Relax! It's only because those awful CONservatives recently won power for a little while!

Just hunker in the bunker until the truly entitled to govern Lieberals emerge with enough scare tactics to get 'em voted back out!!!

6 posted on 04/01/2006 9:49:16 AM PST by SierraWasp (Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know man!!! (or especially Waspman!!!))
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To: SauronOfMordor

Interesting that they started their mass deportation program with Portugese.


7 posted on 04/01/2006 9:55:50 AM PST by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
they have a really bad problem with the Asian gangs in Vancouver and the area. i know that Vancouver Hells Angels are the only club that deal with the MAFIA (though i think it is probably ALL of them that do) so i wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out that the Asian gangs are their drug dealers, pimps, etc. what is truly scary about these guys is the random violence. there was a case about a year ago of a young man and his younger siblings sitting in a McDonald's eating and Asians came in, attacked him with a sword, almost cut his hand off! he had no idea who these punks were!
8 posted on 04/01/2006 9:57:47 AM PST by ferri (Be Politically Incorrect: Support the Constitution!)
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To: kiriath_jearim
The obvious solution to the criminals shooting each other is to disarm the honest citizens.

See how well this tactic has worked in Britain?
10 posted on 04/01/2006 10:35:29 AM PST by Supernatural (A 1,000 lies can be told, but the truth is still the truth.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Bogus article. Canada does not have guns.


11 posted on 04/01/2006 10:46:29 AM PST by fish hawk (TU)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
It is so much more politically correct to blame an inanimate object than a person.
12 posted on 04/01/2006 11:04:44 AM PST by B4Ranch (Immigration Control and Border Security -The jobs George W. Bush doesn't want to do.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Was getting ready to slam you, then remembered the date.


13 posted on 04/01/2006 11:05:41 AM PST by Egon (We are number one! All others are number two... or lower.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

What Canada needs to do is stop being so cheap with its "gun registry".
A few more $billion into that and the problem will be solved.


14 posted on 04/01/2006 11:13:14 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: DaveLoneRanger

You feeling alright Dave?


15 posted on 04/01/2006 11:17:33 AM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Egon

Ahhh Haaa....


16 posted on 04/01/2006 11:18:40 AM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

please add me to your ping list...and BTW, that was NOT funny, lol.


17 posted on 04/01/2006 11:22:24 AM PST by Andonius_99 (They [liberals] aren't humans, but rather a species of hairless retarded ape.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

They caused this by disarming the law abiding citizens.

An armed society is a safe and polite society.

More guns = less crime. Always has – always will.


18 posted on 04/01/2006 11:29:42 AM PST by SUSSA
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To: kiriath_jearim

Wait a minute!!!! I thought all huns were banned by the LIBERALs in Canada. How can this be???!!!! This just can't be a true story.< / sarc


19 posted on 04/01/2006 11:43:44 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Any bets on how long it takes them to make some new anti-gun laws?


20 posted on 04/01/2006 12:00:34 PM PST by CPOSharky (They don't even like each other.)
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