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To: r9etb
I don't see that illegal immigration or Prop 187 has caused the GOP to "lose control" of California -- its legislature has been controlled by the D's for decades, and it's been a liberal mess for at least as long.

Funny. In Texas, the Rats controlled the Legislature for generations -- until recently. The GOP has its act together here. What is your excuse in California? But I was referring to the fact that GOP Presidential candidates used to be able to take California for granted. Now they can take it as a given that they will lose in California. And the main reason is the seismic political shift that occurred there in the last 14 years.

If you want to see how the GOP wins in big states, look to Texas and Florida, not California. Watch and learn. It's all about how you treat the Hispanic vote. Culturally, they are natural conservatives, but you have to know how to transform that into political gains. You can do it either the Texas way or the California way. But the results of both approaches speak for themselves.

145 posted on 03/31/2006 1:11:55 PM PST by kesg
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To: kesg
But I was referring to the fact that GOP Presidential candidates used to be able to take California for granted. Now they can take it as a given that they will lose in California. And the main reason is the seismic political shift that occurred there in the last 14 years.

Sure -- but the question is whether that's a result of Prop 187 and illegal immigration, or something else.

164 posted on 03/31/2006 1:22:41 PM PST by r9etb
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To: kesg
Funny. In Texas, the Rats controlled the Legislature for generations -- until recently. The GOP has its act together here. What is your excuse in California? But I was referring to the fact that GOP Presidential candidates used to be able to take California for granted. Now they can take it as a given that they will lose in California. And the main reason is the seismic political shift that occurred there in the last 14 years.

That's a bogus comparison. California has been collecting fruits and nuts from all over America for the last 50 years. That's liberal Mecca. That has nothing to do with Prop 187. Scott McKenzie was singing about people with flowers in their hair in 1968...what kind of reception would a guy with flowers in his hair received in Texas in 1968?

Hispanics in Florida are primarily Cuban and primarily conservative. Illegal immigration is probably less popular with them than the American public as a whole.

199 posted on 03/31/2006 1:47:23 PM PST by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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