Posted on 03/31/2006 5:42:28 AM PST by SJackson
If I had wanted a Vietnam Vet like Kerry (sarcasm) to run this country and make decisions for me I would have voted for him. I voted for Democracy, freedom, Security, Conservatism, I didn't want the socialist views of a lib, so what am I getting? Nor did I want the American flag desecrated!
Does ANYONE think that George Bush is up to giving the proper response? This is dreamworld stuff.
I don't know, ask Dane or another left wing Republican.
To this day Central and South American sh*t holes are just that....they never change..they never will..
They just come north thanks to weak and corrupt men running our country...
If we canno't find the will to do 'whatever' it takes to rid ourselves of all corrupt leadership and the criminal invaders...then we will end up just like them...
And they will do exactly as they say they will...conquer us
Mexico's and OTM passive agressive invasion must be stopped but Chrsitian America does not have the heart to make war on women and children ...and that is our enemie's greatest strength/evil they have no problem doing precisely to us..or using women and children as their invasion force...litle rattlesnakes grow up to be big ones..
The commies and islamo-fascists borrowed Ghandis knowledge of European virtue-weakness...Ghandi could never have won using his 'non violence' against the Chi-coms, or Soviets.
We need to 'Term Limit' all our so called leaders...put up that wall and deport every single one of them ASAP...
Let them back in one case at a time with scrupulous screening for crime,drugs,skills and diseases...
We also need to bring our troops home from places that don't want them, don't need them, and where they are not welcome
And allow them to defend their own homeland for a change
imo imo
Does ANYONE think that George Bush is up to giving the proper response?
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No. Bush is pawn to Fox -- obviously. If the proper response was going to happen, it would have happened six years ago. Bush is down there pandering right now. Nothing of any consequence will happen -- the ONLY step that MUST be taken right away, is the closure of the border. If that does not happen, we are doomed, and Washington gets the "TOTALLY DYSFUNCTIONAL TRAITOR" badge pinned on them.
Speaking of the organizers and threats to U.S. security, if you want to see something really frightening, see my post #14 on the thread about Hezbollah operatives being caught at the border. One of the organizers of the Detroit immigration protest admits to being a supporter of Hezbollah.
Maybe we should add up all of the Mexicans and then claim a portion of Mexican territory as compensation before we build that wall. For that, I'd support using the military. They invade us and we retailate.
Or any response. If he wants legislative action, he has to get out there and sell it, even if all he has to offer is a deferred citizenship program, aka "guest worker". While the status quo may fit his mindset, it's not going to work politically. The Dems will take the liberal position away from him.
The Aztlan movement has had contact with palestinian groups for decades. Anecdotally, I've been told the northern border is a greater risk in that regard, as Canada has large Muslim communities in which a terrorist can live undetected till the need to cross presents itself.
I intend to bump this most accelent article several more times.
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What we are witnessing here is the formalization of the federal government's refusal to defend our borders and the open claim to our stuff by the invaders. The result will be local, even individual, "turf wars" where citizens will have to make that most difficult decision of whether they prefer to be "judged by 12 or carried by 6". And, make no mistake, if you defend yourself against one of these people, the government is coming after YOU - not them.
Lock and load, give it up or die - it's all on you because your government is entirely against you.
Actually, no. The pre-requisite for any system of legal immigration is to address the demand side of illegal immigration.
For example, the idea that illegals "impose" health care or school costs is incorrect. The cost is assumed, and the benefits are offered, by American politicians.
Also, the illegals aren't coming here for no reason: they're coming here because Americans give them money to come.
The question of criminal activity by illegals is an interesting one, and it certainly does pose costs. But it doesn't answer a basic question: what is it about the US that encourages these criminals to operate here? We know how they get here -- the more important question is: How is it that they're able to stay here?
One answer is certainly to close off the border, but it's not a very good answer, because it ignores the thousands of miles of coastline available for those who would still come north.
More importantly, it doesn't do anything about the people who are already here.
The pre-requisite is really to KNOW who's here, and to know where they are, and to understand where the supply side (the immigrants) is meeting the demand side. Which points to something along the lines of the "guest worker" program. Once you've got the information on people, you can address costs by taxing the guest workers. You can audit the demand side, and punish violators. I think it probably makes it harder for criminals to live here, though I think they're lured by the easy pickings in America, more than anything else.
The downside is that it requires us to adopt a "papers, please..." policy -- which any other approach would also require.
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I dis-agree, the logistics of deporting everyone of them make it an immposiblity. Want a workable solution? Make living here unteniable for illegals. How do we do that?
1) Enforce the laws that are on the books in regards to hiring illegals. Punish the corporate lawbreakers to the fullest extent of the law. No white collar manager, or small business owner wants to go to jail over an illegal. Also, when the fines outweight the money saved by hiring them, economics will force them to stop the practice.
2) Deny any and all government largess to illegal imigrants. If they can't get free medical, educational, etc there will be less enticing them to come and/or staying.
3) 50% surcharge on all electronic money transfers from indiviuduals going to Mexico, and any other country that is actively underminig our efforts. You could also put a surcharge on postage going to these countries.
4) Sanctions against countries that are actively underminig our efforts. Hit them in the pocket books.
5) Special jails for illegal immagrants that break other laws, after they enter the country illegally. In order to be culturally sensitive, conditions in these jails should be exactly like those in prisons and jails in their homelands. If you've ever been in a Mexican jail, you'll know what a deterent this is.
I'm sure that there are many more legal, cultural sensitive, and creative ways to handle this issue.
A 'papers please' approach is not a bad thing, but if there is no sane naturalization process accompanying the registry and accounting, the effort is wasted. If a worker with 'papers' pays taxes for five years, learns an acceptable fluency in English, stays out of crime, then he is a worthy person to become an American, in my book. But the control of whom enters from the South is essential in any new approach, as Reagan's failed amnesty proved. Frankly, if I were sending terrorists to the U.S. for ops, I'd send them through from Canada, the placid and just as porous border. If I were shipping drugs into the U.S., I'd run them through the Southern border. And if, like Fox and his feudal lords, I was shipping the peoni class out to prevent overthrow of my feudal rule, I'd send them over my border with America, counting on my friend Bush to make room for them and allow the free flow of dollars back to Mexico. And, as John Huang2 says, that's my two cents.
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