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To: Timeout
Employers would no longer promote a young man with family obligations in mind.

So they did not promote on merit and these young men can't compete without being artificially propped up?

That is very insulting to the men of past generations. I hope you didn't mean it that way.

10 posted on 03/31/2006 4:44:00 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Romantics and pessimists are two sides of the same coin. Both will happily lead you over the cliff)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
That is very insulting to the men of past generations. I hope you didn't mean it that way.

I didn't mean it as an insult. It's a hard concept to describe, but I'll try. There used to be a certain reward in the workplace for presenting oneself to the world as a mature, responsible family man. One can denigrate it is as "conformity". But it was definitely a consideration in promotions and hiring. It wasn't insulting. It was the natural inclination of the promoter (who was probably a man---sorry) to consider all aspects of the candidates on his list. He might give preference to a married man with two babies as opposed to one who was still single and playing the field. That's all I was saying.

16 posted on 03/31/2006 4:51:31 AM PST by Timeout (I hate MediaCrats!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
So they did not promote on merit and these young men can't compete without being artificially propped up?

It's been so long since the personnel world was normal that people forget: Married men are more productive and hard-working than unmarried men or women. George Gilder's Men and Marriage has excellent stats on this, and there are no doubt more recent sources, too.

Hiring is a process where you estimate future behavior as well as past experience and qualifications. That's why a married man, in the real world, gets extra points for being who he is.

Ignoring "life-style" factors in a hire is objectively insane, but employers are under immense legal and cultural pressure to pretend that a married man who lives in the suburbs and a single gal with a nose ring who lives in a bad part of Brooklyn and goes to clubs at night—who happen to have gone to the same college—are equally qualified. From an employer's point of view, she's more of a risk for being unreliable, but he's not supposed to take that into account.

The cultural logic of today's human-resources culture:

Failing to discriminate against men = artificially propping men up.

21 posted on 03/31/2006 5:00:56 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

No, it is not insulting to men of past generations. I can remember when women didn't work, at all, there was no birth control, and marriage was promoted by shotgun.


23 posted on 03/31/2006 5:02:04 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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