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Bush Pushes Congress to OK Immigrants
AP on Yahoo ^ | 3/30/06 | Nedra Pickler - ap

Posted on 03/30/2006 6:00:20 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: beyond the sea
By the way, I hear he has a real tough election coming up. Supposedly the other guy (his opponent) is a real nasty character.

Fox is term-limited. He can't run again.

181 posted on 03/30/2006 7:04:46 PM PST by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: sinkspur

"They hurt, rather than help, any kind of compromise on a immigration reform bill".

And we should compromise with the illegals why? Do you think we own them something for breaking the law and being here illegally?


182 posted on 03/30/2006 7:04:56 PM PST by Supernatural (A 1,000 lies can be told, but the truth is still the truth.)
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To: yarddog

Same here.


183 posted on 03/30/2006 7:04:59 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: sinkspur

Americas culture is the best in the world. Mexicos culture is a pile of dog S#%&. Why is Mexico poor, dirty and dangerous when the only thing that seperates California and Mexico is a line in the sand. So its either the people or the culture. I'd like to believe its the culture, so excuse me while I try to keep my culture.


184 posted on 03/30/2006 7:05:08 PM PST by RHINO369
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To: beyond the sea
George W. Bush, said today in Mexico, “Nationalism is a dangerous thing.”
What could he have meant by that bizarre statement?

Good question. Perhaps he's annoyed by Americans' desire not to live in Amerexico.

185 posted on 03/30/2006 7:05:29 PM PST by dagnabbit (George Bush is so fed up with illegals, he's going ask them to fill out the citizenship long form.)
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To: yarddog

(...chuckle).


187 posted on 03/30/2006 7:06:10 PM PST by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: sinkspur
Nationalism, nativism, same thing.

Not really.

Nativism

1.A sociopolitical policy, especially in the United States in the 19th century, favoring the interests of established inhabitants over those of immigrants.

2. The reestablishment or perpetuation of native cultural traits, especially in opposition to acculturation.

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Nationalism

1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.

2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.

3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.

188 posted on 03/30/2006 7:06:25 PM PST by beyond the sea (Claire De Lune - ........ 1862)
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To: yarddog
If he has been here 25 years illegally he deserves nothing but to be shipped back to Mexico or where ever he came from.

It's that kind of thinking that prevents any rational immigration reform.

189 posted on 03/30/2006 7:07:16 PM PST by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: sinkspur

"Facts" won't sway them - just like the DPW deal - it's mob-mentality now at FR - we already had one person call the President of the United States an "arrogant psychopath who deems himself King, Lord, and Master" - I probably won't stay at FR (or donate $) much anymore.


190 posted on 03/30/2006 7:07:17 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: sinkspur
Thanks for that.

I heard this morning that the next guy is supposed to be sort of a hostile figure.

191 posted on 03/30/2006 7:08:24 PM PST by beyond the sea (Claire De Lune - ........ 1862)
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To: usnavy45
Illegals do absolutely shoddy homebuilding.

What would you expect? One day a painter, next day drywall, then concrete, then framing. Most really don't do anything well except perhaps tile work. Day labor, that's all.

192 posted on 03/30/2006 7:08:38 PM PST by sangoo
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To: clawrence3
I know you enjoy seeing thousands of Mexican nationals carrying the most insulting and despicable signs while demonstrating in the country they are trying to steal.

They make no secret of what they are doing. You are a traitor, if you are in fact an American, a Quisling at best.

193 posted on 03/30/2006 7:08:45 PM PST by yarddog
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To: clawrence3
"Please cite for me the "wage" paid to African slaves."

Their 'wages' went to their previous owners and their overseers. They also went to their housing, meals, etc. Modern-day slavery has eliminated the initial outlay for purchasing and transporting your slaves. They now come to you. The elimination of this initially large outlay has opened the doors for smaller businesses to take advantage of modern slavery. No longer are the financial resources of a large plantation required to finance purchasing of new laborers when you've worked the old ones to death. Overhead such as housing and overseers has also been eliminated. Slaves now 'care' for themselves, finding small shelters where they pack as many of themselves inside as possible for shelter from the elements so they can save drastically on housing costs. This also gives modern day slave owners the formerly unheard of ability (under the old pre-1860s slavery) to trade in their weaker, sick, or lazy slaves for new ones who've just arrived at no expense. This then allows modern-day slave owners to split up the money that would have otherwise been spent on these ongoing expenses to pay ridiculously small 'wages' to their slaves, who then send much of that money home to keep their families alive.

And that, folks, is the replacement for the whip-wielding overseer: work for me, as long and hard as I tell you, for whatever I feel like paying you, or your family will starve. In some ways, modern slavery is worse than what we abolished 150 years ago.
194 posted on 03/30/2006 7:08:51 PM PST by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: sarasmom

LOL!!!


195 posted on 03/30/2006 7:09:26 PM PST by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: usnavy45

Not necessarily - those doing it for years under competent project managers or, God forbid, going through a real journeyman or apprenticeship program, do real well. If the developer wants it done right, it gets done right.


196 posted on 03/30/2006 7:09:34 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: antceecee
the unwillingness of these employers to pay a fair wage

There is a history of that...

http://www.cis.org/articles/1999/back1299.htm

Given this climate, Farm Security Administration officials came under continuous fire, despite their willingness to reconstitute the FSA as a sort of federal crew leader. So, while the agency faced fiscal dismemberment on the floor of Congress, Secretary of Agriculture Claude Wickard left quietly for Mexico City to initiate negotiations with the Mexican government on the importation of Mexican farm workers. Evidently, FSA officials concluded that it would be easier to supply growers with labor from a foreign source than it was to cajole them into doing what was necessary to attract local labor. The Mexican government agreed to let the United States transport Mexican citizens to the United States for work on American farms and, in return, the Farm Security Administration got a six-month lease on life.
197 posted on 03/30/2006 7:09:34 PM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: Supernatural
And we should compromise with the illegals why? Do you think we own them something for breaking the law and being here illegally?

You're not going to ship 12 million people back across the southern border.

You are not compromising with illegals. You are doing something that will work.

Mass deportation won't work.

We should secure the borders first, then worry about what to do with those in the country later.

IOW, turn off the water, let it cool, then talk about what to do with the water.

198 posted on 03/30/2006 7:09:50 PM PST by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: clawrence3

Oh, I forgot my mom told me to never play in the mud with pig's.


199 posted on 03/30/2006 7:10:24 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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