Leo Banks Ping!
If you read nothing else on illegal immigration today, read this one. Leo tells it like it is.
Posted on 03/30/2006 10:24:28 AM PST by neverdem
There are laws that I flat out, do not like, but I recognize that all laws will be enforced.
That is not the way of lawyers who are set on running things under a government by judiciary, where whatever law there is, will be determined differently from day to day, fitted to the "politics of the moment."
That kind of law "enforcement" *by lawyers,* is what gets the actual law enforcement agent in trouble, with the people, with his/her boss(es), and with the ACLU.
LEO's struggle and sometimes have to fight, in order to enforce the law, but then there's a boss who is a nin-com-poop who demeans their work (and their work ethic) --- who, unfortunately in this case, is our President. Causes all kinds of unrest, for the people and the police officers.
While FRPR's rant on about how wonderful is the fellow who says one thing but does another.
He has the authority, as the Chief Executive, to directly order law enforcement, not only military action, on our borders; he is not at the mercy of the Congress on this one; and for the record, he did do just that, on September 11, 2001, when he closed the borders.
FRPRs are trying to re-interpret the authority of the Executive, to match Bush's failings, and they are going to regret it.
Yet, the Bush era has been an eye-opener, because it has revealed who are conservatives and Republicans on principle, versus others who are merely political opportunists interested in swaying power to their desires.
On our borders, the President happens to be the "top cop." Owners of property on our borders, have the unique right to call the President, not only their local county sheriff, because it is the responsibility of the Chief Executive, to prevent trespassers from coming across their property line; in addition to which, they also have their right to stop such trespassers.
The situation is no different, than if you owned property on the ocean, and aliens attempt to land on it. You have the right to repel boarders, and you have the right to make the situation known to the President and expect his coming to your defense; in addition to all our expecting him to rise to his duties and responsibilites of the border patrol and Coast Guard and the Navy and/or Marines on a larger, if necessary scale.
Unfortunately for him and for us, Bush is a creature of his upbringing among the corporate-lawyer decision-making process. People like to think, that they are getting Bush the man, as President, when instead, they are getting Bush the lawyer-product output - his statements and assurances are full-measures, while his actions are "half-measured responses" in almost every thing that he does and has done as President.
Now, there is no quota-limit on the number of illegal aliens who the feds and States can round up, but there is, by the insistance of the practices set by the policy-wonks of the Bush Administration.
Americans previously protested that kind of activity --- by which the Clinton Administration allowed to get lost by order of bureaucratic-lawyers, the many indications that the factions of muslims who are fascist followers of Islam, were dead set on killing Americans --- but now, when Bush administrators engage in the same evasions, to thwart law enforcement ... that's OK: just wrench the law around, to give some errant Bush-supporters what they want when they want it: even a government by judiciary would be OK as long as "Republicans win."
Well, the law is, that it is illegal to do many things that are being done by aliens, not merely stepping across the border --- their responsibilities include their seeking out the proper federal authorities and reporting to them, their actions and the enumerated items about which the laws require them to report.
Stepping across the border and failing to report, is not some simple $25 misdemeanor alone. Right off the bat, they are in trouble facing fines of $5,000 and more, and that is just the federal violations. The county and the state also may have something to say about their trespassing on private property, along with the owner of the private property, who may extract from them, the costs of their affecting damages.
Apparently, the President who has called such land owners, "vigilantes," does not care much if at all --- not even if the land-owner's son is a U.S. Marine and in Iraq (and who will return home to find his mother and father maligned by his boss).
Some lawyers will try to tell you, that a "vigilante" is somebody who merely looks like a white potato farmer (and Christian) from Idaho (or is a FRPR who disagrees with you :-). Some of those lawyers are FRPRs, but they do not know, contrary to their statements that they "know what is legal and illegal" ... what they are talking about.
A vigilante would be a person who captures another person and then affects some punishment.
You being vigilant, does not make you a "vigilante" as in some ruffian beating up people; to the contrary, you being vigilant, is one of the reasons we have so many great volunteers mindful of our civic duty to help our neighbors.
Americans have much soverign authority, and we may affect a citizens arrest.
CAUTION: It is not easy. Most of the time, when done properly but unbeknownst to the citizens affecting the arrest, they make mistakes which are overlooked by the courts, because the citizens intent to uphold the law and get the job done well enough, has "saved the day" and usually somebody's life. Such as, when you pounce on some shooter just leaving a bank.
What is most often not explained, is that to affect a citizen's arrest, the lawful procedures are nearly the same as they are for a "law enforcement officer" --- the exception is that you are not carrying a badge, so to speak.
What is in common, but not often discussed, is that you bear all the responsibilities that we expect of an "LEO" carrying a badge. You do have to read the perp his rights. You must take an audit of the perp's physical and mental condition, and include a list of the perp's property taken into your custody. You are responsible for that perp's safety and well being ... all the way on up to your handing over that perp to the LEOs of the jurisdiction where you make the arrest. You may be liable, just like an LEO, for the perp's attorney's "coming at you" for screwing up the arrest.
So, it is not easy, though the courts generally will land on your side, because most "taxpayers" are good people who intend to do the right thing and stop matters from getting worse.
You have the right to do the right thing, and to arrest somebody for breaking the law, but you must obey the rule of law, that requires you to afford the perp due process - just like an LEO - while, I should add, you may not give any kind of indication that you are an LEO when you are not.
DO NOT impersonate an LEO, and instead, state clearly that you are "making a citizens arrest."
You have to clearly state to the judge, that you afforded all the due process that can have been reasonably expected of you in the circumstances, including, that you physically touched the perp - about which you state, later, to the judge,
"I saw that the perp acknowledged that I was making an arrest and that I was not a law enforcement agent - that it was a citizens arrest." If you were an LEO, then you amend that statement, accordingly, for making a citizens arrest though you were, "at the time, a law enforcement officer for such-and-such jurisdiction."
IN GENERAL - the best practice is to NOT go looking for bad guys to arrest. If you want to do that, campaign at the local office of your sheriff, to have them invite you along for a "demo." DO NOT attempt to practice routine law enforcement without having an enormous amount of money and insurance and knowledge of ALL the arrest powers statutes. BETTER: JUST PLAIN DO NOT DO IT.
IN PARTICULAR - the best practice is to alert the LEOs of your jurisdiction(s) AND take copious notes and film, audio and video and give the LEOs COPIES - you keep the originals (and give copies to your attorney(s)). As has been the practice of the Minutemen along our southern border.
So again, from the top, the land-owners along the borders of the United States, have a Constitutional right to expect of the President, that he enforces protection of their land and property lines that are International - whether or not their land borders on land or on water.
The President has the Executive power to defend such land with the full weight of the entire United States. The President is the top cop for these landowners' jurisdiction.
In the home of each of such land-owners, they ought to have one phone that is set to dial-up the county sherriff, and one phone that is set up to dial-up the State police, and a third phone to dial-up the President. Call, not necessarily in that order (depends on what the heck is going on out there!).
Bug the heck out of those numbers, for every sighting and every trespassing of your lands; and record all such actions.
If you do not get an active, repeat, active response from law enforcement (includes the President), then contact the news media ... and contact forums on the Internet.
This is all the lengthy process through which you and we must go, before petitioning our State legislatures to muster the militia, to do the law enforcement that some "authorities" have not yet had the guts to do.
You have the right to defend yourself; but you must do so lawfully and respecting due process in the event of your making a citizens arrest. At each step, the burden of the government failing us, must be great enough and recognized by most citizens to be great enough, to warrant moving on up to the next step.
If there really is a big enough problem and a big enough failure of government to act, then we have the right to make known directly to our State legislatures, our emergency and that it is time for action: the muster.
Given the available information, we are nowhere close to that.
In fact, we have yet to experience enough situations where the failures of law enforcement by local LEOs, is enough for citizens to be affecting noticeable numbers of citizens arrests.
That does not mean, that there is not plenty of information out there which demonstrates an unwillingness by public officials to enforce the law - particularly the President. His failures are a serious case. Our trouble is, that the general situation, though it appears to be serious, is not yet serious enough.
Though his failures seem to be helping it along to becoming serious enough. A rapidly souring response by the southwestern U.S. housing market, losing value because of the unrest developing from his in-actions, could set off a major disturbance.
My two cents are:
1) DO NOT go around planning on arresting anybody - leave it to the LEOs - and instead, get organized at the business of reporting what is happening, as have the Minutemen. The ACLU would just love to descend upon anybody making any citizens arrest on the border; so, I'd avoid giving them the pleasure. If you can, get to know some federal judges and be able to rapidly get warrants. Setting up such a system, will take a lot of your time and effort. Then again, a judge may be firmly with the program, having himself been the victim of inaction by the President.
2) Bug the heck out of the White House and your State legislators, not merely the Congress. A housing-and-property-values flight risk has more real promise of happening at the moment, than any other potential impact. If property owners get scared and they start to bolt, the Republicans especially in southern California, will not have much interest in saving Bush's hide.
The Bush Administration should be much more concerned about American property owners' migrations.
Final note and an opinion: It is a crime to serve on a jury and/or to vote when not a U.S. citizen, and these crimes should not receive any amnesty benefits whatsoever, because to do so, is an affront to the bedrock of our liberties.
DISCLAIMER: My statements above, about the procedures for making a citizens arrest, are my recollections of some of the training that I had as a federal agent, more than thirty years ago. The statutes and procedures may have changed. Look up the matter yourself. I suggest that you use the above information as a guide, for helping you to figure it out. If you're really interested in pursuing an education in making citizens arrests, you must study up on quite a lot of local, state, and federal statutes. There are probably some law enforcement academies where you can learn more, and if I were you, I'd find some law school professors who "really know their stuff" on this topic. DO NOT IMPERSONATE A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY GUN CLUB THAT MANIFESTS ITSELF AS "THE" OR "A" MILITIA - There is only one militia per State, and it does not have the power to act (other than to train) with martial power and/or law enforcement powers without the authority of the State legislature's OK; by default, the sheriff in each county within the United States, is your immediate area commander - this is also a region in the common law, which blends into his duty to raise a posse for the hot pursuit of criminals at large, but that is another topic for another time.
If you read nothing else on illegal immigration today, read this one. Leo tells it like it is.
Doubly disturbing, since Leo is a homegrown author and columnist.
Thanks for the ping, DD.
I love Leo's writing.
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Bump!
Thanks for the link, but Texas is a bit far for me. But Washington D.C. on Memorial Day weekend seems reasonable. See comment# 52.
see you in DC then
Thanks for the email addresses. I'll go down to D.C., but not too hot about an organized Mexican flag burning. I don't want to get down to their level.
Please call them INVADERS and don't compare them to people who are legal aliens!
IF you aid and abet CRIMINALS, you are a criminal!
President Bush has been great on most things except for our border.
He has been great on the war on terrorists.
But on the border he is a gross failure.
He acted fast and correct on the 3,000+ people murdered at the world trade center.
He ignores the many rapes, murders and robberies which might be larger than the murders and money loss at the world trade center.
More Americans are abducted on the border of Mexico than in Iraq!
Start building the fence.
It should be made a felony for Criminals who overstay their visas and Invaders.
I believe we should give amnesty to these poor CRIMINALS or INVADERS.
This should be a 2 week amnesty to get the heck out of our Country.
The ones who ignore this amnesty should be buried in a tent city jail and fined $10,000 or buried elsewhere.
All aiders and abettors of these CRIMINALS or INVADERS should get 1 year in a tent city jail and a $10,000 fine for each CRIMINAL aided.
Those in government should be the first ones charged.
Please call them INVADERS and don't compare them to people who are legal aliens!
IF you aid and abet CRIMINALS, you are a criminal!
President Bush has been great on most things except for our border.
He has been great on the war on terrorists.
But on the border he is a gross failure.
He acted fast and correct on the 3,000+ people murdered at the world trade center.
He ignores the many rapes, murders and robberies which might be larger than the murders and money loss at the world trade center.
More Americans are abducted on the border of Mexico than in Iraq!
Start building the fence.
It should be made a felony for Criminals who overstay their visas and Invaders.
I believe we should give amnesty to these poor CRIMINALS or INVADERS.
This should be a 2 week amnesty to get the heck out of our Country.
The ones who ignore this amnesty should be buried in a tent city jail and fined $10,000 or buried elsewhere.
All aiders and abettors of these CRIMINALS or INVADERS should get 1 year in a tent city jail and a $10,000 fine for each CRIMINAL aided.
Those in government should be the first ones charged.
Why not start building the fence ourselves?
Don't wait for the government. Let's just
get our bulldozers and cement mixers and ...
BUILD THE FRIGGIN' FENCE OURSELVES!!! Like the AMISH!
It's OK. (Deep breath) I'm fine now!
LOL!
I am going to do the pink slip thing....
I am sick of this.
I am putting them on notice...
they think they can play these games and that by november we will get over it and forgive...
and it is our fault...
we have taught them that we will put with them.
we re-elct criminals for pete's sake!
they teach us that it is one or the other...and we just teach them that we accept it...
tired of the game and getting screwed no matter who is in office...
Fences make for good neighbors.
How to Destroy America
Many know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Recently there was an immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.
Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"
1. "Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.
"The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."
2. Lamm went on: "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.
3. "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'"
4. Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."
5. "Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."
6. "My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."
7. "My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other."
"A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- >From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."
8. "Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate."
"Having made America a bilingual/bi-cultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."
9. In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."
There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.'
American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."
Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.
IMO, the legal immigrants will be right alongside the rest
of us helping to build that fence. It will be one of those
unifying events for our country. Then HBO and the Histry
Channel will make movies about it.
I'm ready for my closeup.
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