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Weapons Payload of B-2 Stealth Bomber Enhanced(now can carry 5 times the amount of smart bombs)
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Posted on 03/30/2006 5:19:36 AM PST by MARKUSPRIME

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To: MARKUSPRIME

Be a shame is one of those Iranian reactors randomly exploded?? Achmed Raghed may have left a vent closed/opened!

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


41 posted on 03/30/2006 7:55:24 AM PST by bray (Proud Bushbot for 6 years going on 8)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Geez, I don't don't know how many times I'm going to have to debunk this myth.

The B-52 only has room for 51 500 pounders, The B-2 hauls 80. Except for the ability to externally carry some of the older technology cruise missiles externally, it cannot haul more stuff than a B-2. The B-2 will carry 192 of the new LOCAAS autonomous miniature cruise missiles, that have a 70 mile range and search out their own targets with a ladar.

It is not a bad aircraft, but the the B-2 is superior in every way. Comparing the new generation of aircraft and miniaturized weapons now hitting the battlefield is like comparing WWI to VIETNAM. It is THAT much different, and better.

I'll let you in on another secret, 60's muscle cars ARE NOT faster than 2006 models.

42 posted on 03/30/2006 8:03:09 AM PST by SENTINEL (USMC GWI (MY GOD IS GOD, ROCKCHUCKER !!))
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To: Shomer

In Afganistan and elsewhere we did not just target "tents and camels"; the SpecOps boys took out bunkers, AA guns, etc. from miles away with their laser designators. Using our technology to kill the islamonazis is a mitzvah!


43 posted on 03/30/2006 8:04:33 AM PST by darth
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To: ken5050

I don't think that there will be a significant threat to any aircraft flying over Iran after H+30 minutes. At that point their Air Force and Missile defences will be quite similar to that available to Afganistan.


44 posted on 03/30/2006 8:09:53 AM PST by NAVY84
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To: Wonder Warthog
Nice info, but not much use without the comparable information for the B-52. I suspect that the old "Buff" can haul more stuff.

The B-2 hauls more stuff actually.

45 posted on 03/30/2006 8:11:44 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Islam's true face: http://makeashorterlink.com/?J169127BC)
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To: Centurion2000
... The B-2 hauls more stuff actually...

Does that also include the extra ground crew and support required for the maintenance? That plane is extremely complicated, FBW-dependent, weather dependent, and exhorbitantly expensive, etc.... The stealth aspect is over-rated; alluding to it's radar invisibility is, in my estimation, misinformation. There are always conditions under which they or any other 'stealth' can be seen by radar, maybe not just the type one would expect being used with SAM systems.

46 posted on 03/30/2006 8:20:07 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: darth
the SpecOps boys took out bunkers, AA guns, etc. from miles away with their laser designators.

I don't know anyone who would argue against that.

Now, other than the Mother of All Wars Against the Somalian Aspirin Factory, what about the Tomahawks during the '90s?

47 posted on 03/30/2006 8:41:27 AM PST by Shomer (More Great News and Insights From The Blue Bird of F'ing Joy)
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To: OXENinFLA
That's a heck of an upgrade. I wonder how they made all the new stuff fit?

Just speculation, but I suspect it's more a matter of the aircraft being able to "talk to" all those smart bombs. I suspect that the previous configuration could carry as many bombs, but only a few could be "addressed" either at all, or independently, by the aircraft systems. So more of a wiring and software job than a stuffing of a whole lot more bombs into the bay.

48 posted on 03/30/2006 8:55:06 AM PST by El Gato
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To: darth
When coupled with a laser designator for Joe Snuffy, we give god-like powers to infantry.

That's old stuff, although still slightly more accurate for the really close stuff. All Joe Snuffy needs to do is pass the GPS coordinates of the target to the bird and it's bye bye target. We still do the laser guided thing too, but the GPS version is cheaper, meaning we can buy more of them, and can be used if all you have is map coordinates of the target.

49 posted on 03/30/2006 9:01:15 AM PST by El Gato
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To: taxed2death
I could hear it long before I saw it.

That means that it wasn't going real fast. It's capable of Mach 0.9 or so at sea level. Meaning that the aircraft is only slightly slower than the sound waves coming from it. If it was 5 miles off, and headed right towards you at Mach 0.9, the sound from 5 miles away would arrive less than 3 seconds before the aircraft.

50 posted on 03/30/2006 9:08:43 AM PST by El Gato
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To: ken5050
Question: does the enhanced payload, regardless of the size of the bombs..mean that the bomb-bay doors are deployed longer, which then makes the B-2 visible on enemy radar, and thus more vulnerable? This would NOT seem to be an issue over Afghanistan, for example... where the new technology is an obvious force multiplier, because there is no threat to the B-2 from the ground..but sending the plane over Iran, to target scattered nuke sites...well, if the plane is unstealthy five times longer than before..( am I correct in assuming it would take 5x as long to eject 5x the # of bombs?) there would seem to be much greater risk to the aircraft..

While it might be somewhat longer to drop 5x as many bombs, they wouldn't generally be dropping them all at the same time. They'd pop the bay doors, drop one or three, pop the doors shut and go on the next "recipient" of their eggs. Thus they would be vulnerable 5x as long, it would not increase their overall vulnerability much, since each would be a separate "event" for the defensive systems on the ground.

51 posted on 03/30/2006 9:13:18 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Wonder Warthog
Methinks the old B-52 is probably still the all-time champ in delivered ordnance capacity tonnage.

As you can see, that's not quite correct. Even if you include the external stores.

52 posted on 03/30/2006 9:21:27 AM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato

Thanks..that makes sense...I guess I envisioned a saturation-bombing scenario.. like an Iranian nuclear fascility..where you had lots of smaller structures...buildings, ulitity infrsturcture..vents to underground vaults...etc, scattered over several square miles..where using a 500lb bomb was "overkill"..but if the time over target was longer..that would but the aircraft at greater risk..I assume the USAF has gamed it..


53 posted on 03/30/2006 9:32:55 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her gene pool. Any volunteers?)
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To: Centurion2000
"The B-2 hauls more stuff actually."

Total poundage, or number of specific munitions?? There "is" a difference, y'know. All the replies thus far are comparing apples and oranges.

54 posted on 03/30/2006 9:47:32 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Shomer
Eventually they'll be able to. An SDB weighs 250 pounds, only 50 pounds of which is explosives. The amount of explosives is the important part not the total weight of the weapon and as we discovered in Desert Storm most tactical ground targets can be destroyed with as little as five pounds of explosives.

A Small Diameter Bomb hits an A-7 parked inside a concrete aircraft shelter during a test at White Sands Missile Range, N.M. The bomb is an autonomous, 250-pound class weapon that can be used in adverse weather and has a standoff range of more than 60 nautical miles. Courtesy photos

55 posted on 03/30/2006 10:39:14 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: OXENinFLA
smart bomb rack assembly (SBRA)
56 posted on 03/30/2006 10:48:58 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: spetznaz
but is it even necssary to have the jammers?

Ask the F-117 pilot who got SAM'd.

57 posted on 03/30/2006 10:53:31 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: SENTINEL
but the the B-2 is superior in every way.

No it isn't. The B-2 has a much lower mission capable rate and much higher MMH/FH than the BUFF. The B-2 can't forward deploy without an environmentally controlled hangar so all that tape and caulk can be repaired and cured. The return on investment is lousy.

58 posted on 03/30/2006 11:03:14 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: SENTINEL
60's muscle cars ARE NOT faster than 2006 models

Some are, but unsafe over 90 mph. New suspension designs can do twice that in relative safety. Modern cars are so smooth and effortless that they are deceptive in speed.

59 posted on 03/30/2006 11:11:24 AM PST by RightWhale (Nothing can evolve which has not been involved)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
The scary thing is that I know what you are talking about and what this article is talking about.
60 posted on 03/30/2006 11:46:30 AM PST by anymouse
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