Posted on 03/29/2006 7:22:57 PM PST by NormsRevenge
Works for me.
both sides of this argument is moronic.
nobody is asking the the questions:
Will these illegals come in from the cold ?
If not, now what ?
If Bin Laddie can slip in these T-Buckets will make him a citizen too. Muchas Gracias all you S.O.Bs.
Like they were actually going to do that any way.
Mostly, this issue can be finessed. The "centerpiece" of the law should not be phrased as the guest worker process (which actually is pretty strict).
The centerpiece should be border security. Think about this, if the influx is stopped, all illegals currently in the US can't visit family in Mexico. This should not be underestimated in its impact on families. An illegal whose parents die cannot attend the funeral because he would not be allowed back in -- unless he jumped through those hoops of the other part of the law.
This can work, but only if BORDER SECURITY is the emphasis and strict guest worker provisions become distinctly and emphatically secondary.
It looks like amnesty, sounds like amnesty and smells like amnesty.
Just how in the hell do they think they can stop hordes of illegals without a fence.
160,000 per month are getting through in Arizona alone.
A 10,000 person detention center needs to be a little larger.
I think before we debate about what to do with those here already we should plug the hole to stop new ones from coming. Then we can discuss what to do with the 12 million already here. Let's stop the leak before we bail out the water. I blame Bush for this. He had insisted all along that he will do nothing about the borders until we accept those coming here for work. This is MORONIC!
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and - only if employers are forced to hire from within the structure of the guest worker program. so long as employers have jobs for the totally undocumented, and face no sanctions when caught, people will cross the border to fill those jobs. that's where the whole guest worker program collapses - we'll end up with a two tier system - the illegals we have now, PLUS a new set of guest workers hired into legitimate businesses. its the worst possible outcome, the status quo is better.
I admire our President, and I believe he is good for our country. But President Bush is killing his approval rating with support for legalizing those who have already broken our laws.
Absolutely. The Republicans are trying to stop a leak without shutting off the water and they are going to get soaked.
Muleteam1
Don't be too tough on our Arlen. Remember, he still believes in the magic bullet in Dallas. No wonder he doesn't think this BS is amnesty.
agreed. plug the freaking leak first.
The point being, guest workers will fly. The base can accept a strict guest worker program, but the centerpiece must be BORDER SECURITY with all the major emphasis, and funding, on it.
Muleteam1
If these clowns don't most of whom are lawyers and all of whom are legislators and have lawyers on their staffs don't know what amnesty is then they are just plain liars.
Any law that does not make the illegals leave the United States in essence rewards their illegal activity and is an amnesty. Why should those that broke the law get to stay and get guest worker visas when those that didn't break the law don't? Logic says you reward the law abiding aliens with any guest worker visas and penalize those that broke the law by putting them at the back of the line, certainly not ahead of those who followed the law!
Sheesh....a second grader sees the fallacy in their thinking. All we have to do is say applications are acepted only outside of the US. Sure some will decide to stay but then they can be sorted out because of the new enforcement provisions! They will self deport if they know the rules and realize there will be no amnesty. First one back home will be first in line for the new visas...
Imagine the head of the Judiciary Committee Spector saying this is not amnesty. Is this guy on drugs? does he believe what he says or just think we will swallow more of his imaginary magic facts?
Savage is right they should be brought up on charges of treason.
Leahy says we can'd deport 11 million illegal aliens. This is a member of the judiciary Committe with this defeatest attitude. How do we enforce other laws? We make the penalties not worth the risk of the reward.
I say we must try before we say we can't, something we have yet to do. How about fining a few hundred empoyers, stick a few in jail and a few thousand illegal aliens in jail for 6 months and see how many run home? Use the carrot of guest worker visas after enforcement is in place The senate is foolishly putting the cart before the horse.
Jeff Sessions is too good for the United States Senate.
We need more like Jeff Sessions in the Senate and if some of the states with the most whiners on here about Republicans would elect good conservatives like Sessions instead of the numbskulls from CA and WA and NY etc. in the Senate, we would be much better off.
Those of us with good conservative Senators are getting irritated at those who whine on here about Republicans and are from blue states with blue Senators. Don't blame the rest of us who have elected conservative Senators, go look in the mirror and get out to work to elect conservatives instead of throwing in the towel and declaring they won't vote again for a Republican.
I'm thinking that even the 20 million figure is low...
after ya wrap in all the grandpas and grandmas and cousins and farm animals, it's easily twice that.
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