Posted on 03/29/2006 4:27:02 PM PST by thoughtomator
Says who? How quickly did the TSA come into existence, with its 60,000 employees? Virtually overnight. And this was building a department from scratch, not simply adding on to an existing department. All it takes is political will.
well, all I can say is that if there really was evidence that within the hispanic american population - that the opinion of your daughter-in-law was in the strong majority - we wouldn't be where we are right now. I am just talking about the political aspect of this right now - I wish what you were saying were true, but it can't be, the Dems wouldn't be so solidly behind this, and the Rs wouldn't be so splintered.
"if the US were to create a liberal guest worker program, there would be no demand for illegals."
But a liberal guest worker program is nothing but a full amnesty. And since no illegal in their right mind would enter a strict guest worker program (to be taxed, identified, located, minimum waged, ohsha's, etc), what you get is any guest worker program will in the end be equivalent to amnesty.
Have your calculations taken into account how many of them would vote Democrat regardless?
"When you work, you create value. If someone gets paid 5 dollars, he has done at least 5 dollars worth of value or else no one would pay him."
True, but very little of the value stays in our economy if it is sent to Mexico.
I know my information is anecdotal, but that doesn't make it false.
I've heard lots of callers on several types of talk shows that say the same thing.
I am not challenging what you are saying.
all I am saying is - there is a disconnect somewhere, because when you look at how this is lining up politically - the Dems are 100% convinced that supporting guest workers/amnesty is going to improve their position amongst hispanic american voters, and the Rs are being pushed to the breaking point worrying about losing the support within that block they currently have.
You're assuming that the only reason for this mess has to do with the views Hispanic voters. I think there's something much more to it than that. I think that politicians prefer to have their constituencies Balkanized. They're much easier to manipulate that way. They don't want Americans who care about the Constitution and the principles of this country. They want voters they can lead around with base promises of instant gratification.
Then there are those who want an EU-style merger of the continent. That's a powerful force in Washington as well.
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I can't disagree with you - those forces are at work. but there is also a short term/limited outlook calculation being made here - and its obvious that the Dems believe they can garner higher levels of hispanic american support, by opposing tougher border controls and embracing the senate bill.
Sure, we'll get our fence: it'll span the southern border from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico in all it's one-foot high glory.
Among whom, specifically? I know that they've made gains among Hispanics, but I've never seen any breakdown further than that, as to whether the gains have been among recent arrivals versus those with a long ancestry in the U.S. I think Rich Lowry's insight that I posted at #42 looks like a very good explanation for political trends. Hispanics have tended to be poor, and poor people tend to vote Democrat. As Hispanics start to do better economically (which has certainly been happening over the last decade or two), it's only natural that more of them will vote Republican.
But recent arrivals, and their relatives, are still more likely to be among the lower-income Hispanics.
I didn't thinkyou were challenging me .. and I realize that one family does not a consensus make.
However, I wish the repubs would just do the right thing and stop using politics to measure every move they make - like the dems do.
Its all in black and white.
The new border agents will be hired incrementally
It will take years to build the fence
Under employee verification, existing employees won't be checked til year 6.
Again, I don't know how obvious it is that that's the reason for their behavior. I think they're just doing what Democrats do, same as when they vote for more welfare or other social liberalism. It's just their natural ideology.
If you're talking about bills actually pending before Congress, it may be in "black and white", but it's certainly not in stone.
How much progress have they made on the few miles of fence in California.
I doubt that they can implement verification on schedule. The pilot program, with few employers participating, has a 15% failure rate.
Dick is being an idiot.
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