Posted on 03/29/2006 11:52:58 AM PST by Congressman Billybob
Exactly. Why isn't THAT the issue. Why is it easier to allow 15 million people (and many more if the laws are not enforced) to invade our country than it is to apply pressure to Mexico to fix their corrupt system. Mexico has huge natural resources and an obviously hard-working populance. It should be doing very well.
I am almost there.
People will take the easy path. Always.
Right now, it is easier for these immigrants to be illegal than legal, and so that's what they do. Therefore the solution is to reverse this, and make it easier to be legal than illegal.
It can be done by draconian efforts on the border. Or by making legality very easy. Or any combination of the two, so long as the result is that it's easier to be legal than illegal.
Simply shutting down the border and throwing 10 million people out of the country just isn't in the cards. The political class just doesn't have the heart to do it. We can't even get politicians to "promise" they'll send illegals home. And if a politician won't even promise something, then you know good and well they won't do it.
Since we're at least stuck with the illegals we have, then we'd best stop beating each other up and instead beat up on the liberals so we can assimilate those illegals that are here and make "Americans" out of them.
Everyone should read the quote from Teddy Roosevelt on that subject that's in a couple of threads yesterday and today.
Termites, yes; my analogy all along.
I have termites in my desk, they leave their droppings underneath for me to sweep and mop away; I deported a few million from my attic, but I suspect they've sneaked back during the times I sleep.
We are at a standoff right now as I must file and pay my taxes before I will have enough money saved to to make one final sweep and rid my home of the voracious horde before they finish off my house and move on to the next.
I think that we need to reject once and for all this "nation of immigrants" slogan. It was not all the immigrants who built this nation: it was the pioneers. The pioneers made this a country worth reaching for the later arrivals.
Everyone would react with distaste if someone demanded special rights for having had ancestors on the Mayflower. In the same way, we should react with distaste and scorn when new arrivals try to take credit for things that earlier, completely unrelated immigrants might have accomplished. Coming here illegally and mowing lawns is not building the country.
As for the politicians who allowed this to happen, it includes some of our very favorites. I am thinking in particular of Ronald Reagan, who allowed through the first amnesty, when anyone knows that one amnesty always leads to another, and another, and another.
Good people can be misled by sentimentality. It is a fatal mistake.
Good post #15. I knew a pilot would be level headed on this.
They break the law when they cross the border; deciding now to admit this is only 10,20,30 years too late - they've been criminals all along.
Agreed.
These are the messages that our people in Congress should be sending. If they changed the message to one about National Security, they would have a much better chance combating the MSM on the issue.
Look forward to all sorts of Media displays of children who's fathers have been deported, leaving the taxpayer to feed him, because we wouldn't let his father stay in America and work. Count on it. The local media here (San Diego) has already started that crap.
I don't know about Bracero now, because Mexico is essentially an anarchy state which sees America as it's pot of gold. They intend to bleed us dry. I'm told there are some significant changes coming to the White House communications office, so maybe they are in the process of getting their message together. They have time, because everything going on in Congress right now is just show. Nothing is going to be done before the election. Not a damn thing.
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No, actually it isn't. We are not a "nation of immigrants." This is both a factual error and a warm-and-fuzzy non sequitur. 85% of the residents currently in the United States were born here. Sure, we are almost all descendants of immigrants. But we are not a "nation of immigrants."
Dog, I very much respect your opinion, but I am thinking about the big issues. The laws have not been enforced, now we have a huge problem. Congress consistently ducks big issues. The 20,000 plus people in the Phoenix march, as peaceful as it was, looked like an army. I don't want to see a Beslan in my childrens' schools; our borders are wide open. Congress is not our slaves, but they are supposed to be acting in our best interests, and in that they are sadly failing. The Pubbies have the Presidency, the Senate and the House. It's high time to do what's best for the country, and not what's best for someone's re-election chances.
"If illegal Hispanics get everything they demand, then legal Hispanics will go along to get along...join in with demands for special treatment"
And your basis for your statement is....?
What you might not realize, is the majority of hispanics who are here legaly have been here for generations and deeply resent illegals. Here in Az we(hispanics) voted for Prop 200 57% to 43%, the press fails to emphasize that fact, and no, we will not join the illegals to get along!!!!
Well written.
That is my understanding as well, which is why I wonder why the Congress fears the hispanic vote. The people affected by this can't vote.
That was supposedly accompanied by an increase in border security. But it didn't work for lots of reasons, including that various administrations just didn't want to enforce it.
It's time for a permanent solution. And whether some like it or not, that solution has to include a way for a whole lot more "legal" people to come here and work. Whatever the details, these people are going to come here, so any attempt to limit their number will only balkanize them, which is what the liberals want.
I think the optimum solution for America is to welcome them here as Teddy Roosevelt's generation did, and assimilate them into the American culture. If they stay "illegal", that won't happen.
Passionatly arguing semantics is a waste of time. You know what he meant and he knows what you meant.
The real bad guys are the liberals, and what they want is the status quo maintained. That is what we should *not* want.
The problem now is that a terrorist can blend in with all the other illegals. The genuine solution for security is to make some pathway for these people to come here and work via a legal means.
If we do that, then the odd truck crossing the border illegally is guaranteed to be some kind of serious lawbreaker and will stand out like a sore thumb and will be caught. As it is now, they merely blend in with the flow.
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