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To: surely_you_jest

Characterizing this as backing down is ridiculous. The house and the senate are not going to get their specific bills. They will have to be reconciled. Something has to give or there will be no bill.


2 posted on 03/29/2006 7:18:06 AM PST by OldFriend (AMERICA WOULD NOT BE THE LAND OF THE FREE IF IT WERE NOT ALSO THE HOME OF THE BRAVE)
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To: OldFriend
Characterizing this as backing down is ridiculous.

That is the wording of the headline in the Washington Times.

5 posted on 03/29/2006 7:19:37 AM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: OldFriend
Characterizing this as backing down is ridiculous.

But yet some will jump all over it.

7 posted on 03/29/2006 7:20:18 AM PST by Howlin ("It doesn't have a policy. It doesn't need to have a policy. What's the point of a Democratic policy)
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To: OldFriend

If they vote for anything resembling the Senate bill the Republicans can kiss power goodbye.


11 posted on 03/29/2006 7:21:51 AM PST by claudiustg (Delenda est Iran!)
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To: OldFriend

Better no bill than a guest worker amnesty.


16 posted on 03/29/2006 7:23:07 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: OldFriend

Could'a saved time and just keyed your last 5 words. ;)


17 posted on 03/29/2006 7:24:55 AM PST by johnny7 (“Nah, I ain’t Jewish, I just don’t dig on swine, that’s all.”)
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To: OldFriend
Why is that a bad thing?

The only bill that will be enacted is the Reconquista/amnesty disaster that just passed the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Are you actually suggesting that passing a bill that will ensure the GOP forfeits both houses of Congress-which it is already in danger of doing already-and gives amnesty to millions of illegal aliens is preferable to the status quo?

20 posted on 03/29/2006 7:28:09 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: OldFriend

"...there will be no bill."

At least not before the 2006 elections. The RATs and RINOs need something to campaign on and will tell their constituents whatever they want to hear. If the group is anti, they will be anti; if the group is pro, they will be pro. There will be so much flip-flopping, you will think Kerry is running in every election.


22 posted on 03/29/2006 7:31:17 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: OldFriend
This isn't even the Senate version yet. It's the Judicary Committee's version. In my opinion it's a very bad bill.

Fortunately it has a long way to go to become law, and we need to push our representatives to fix or kill it and replace it with better legislation.

There's a lot of rhetoric being tossed around. Characterizing Boehner's comment as hinting at backing down is reading a lot into a short comment. I'm ntosure it's really helpful to the debate, though I do support the underlying message of keeping pressure on COngress to make sure they pass a law that addresses illegal immigration rahter than sweeping it under the table again and letting it get worse.

27 posted on 03/29/2006 7:36:34 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: OldFriend

No bill would be better than the path to legalization for the illegals which just makes them pay $2000 in fines and puts them in front of all those who stayed in their home country and filled out the paperwork for the official legal slots available.

If you let the line-cutters get away with it, everybody will cut in line.

I would like to see a couple house provisions lost, but we have to send the line-cutters to the back of the line.


30 posted on 03/29/2006 7:38:44 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: OldFriend
Characterizing this as backing down is ridiculous. The house and the senate are not going to get their specific bills. They will have to be reconciled. Something has to give or there will be no bill

And that's the way tom tancredo wants it. He has to keep those PAC donations flowing.

71 posted on 03/29/2006 8:03:26 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: OldFriend

Oh, don't rain on the boo-birds' parade. They wake up every morning, looking for another conspiracy.


159 posted on 03/29/2006 8:34:34 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Kennedy and Kerry, the two Commissars of the Peoples' Republic of Massachusetts!)
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To: OldFriend

Then let there be no will. Outside of the beltway, among people who are here legally, the overwhelming majority of people do not want to see either a guest worker program or an amnesty.


256 posted on 03/29/2006 9:10:31 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: OldFriend

The "back down" part comes in the extremely tepid defense of the House bill. Now we know why those House Republicans who wanted to control the border thought Boehner's election was a disaster.


708 posted on 03/29/2006 11:49:34 AM PST by Deporter55
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To: OldFriend

There will have to be a compromise. The House will have to tell the senate in conference that they will only accept their plan if the senate accepts the border fence. Bottom line: A border fence requirement in the final bill is essential one way or another. The House better not back down from the fence!


1,121 posted on 03/29/2006 3:34:47 PM PST by David1
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To: OldFriend

Something has to give or there will be no bill.

Absolutely correct.


1,182 posted on 03/29/2006 4:03:25 PM PST by ConservativeGreek
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To: OldFriend

I don't think the DemocRATS want a bill because then they can use it as a club to Reps in the election. DemocRats never ever want solutions to any problems unless it can be fixed with more taxes.


1,258 posted on 03/29/2006 4:27:37 PM PST by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: OldFriend

How about NO bill?

Let's just enforce the laws we already HAVE on trhe books about illegal immigrants?

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

-Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

-Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

-Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

Furthermore....

Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act in 1996; (Deportation and exclusion procedures were consolidated, effective April 1, 1997.)

-The president can deport any alien who was deemed dangerous.

Why do we need MORE laws when the ones we have are GOOD enough?


1,812 posted on 03/30/2006 7:22:19 AM PST by Crispus Attucks Patriot (The first to give his life for your liberty was a Black man!)
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