Posted on 03/29/2006 4:19:44 AM PST by John Filson
The nation's most prominent opponent of current immigration policy began his day yesterday on the "Today" show on NBC, debating a Hispanic defender of illegal immigrants. He moved on to "American Morning" on CNN to denounce a bill passed by the Senate Judiciary Committee on Monday as "an amnesty program."
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Never heard the term "paleo" before. Maybe you can explain what it means. It sounds kind of loaded. You may think you're just "talking tv", but when you use derogatory terms to describe someone, you're making a statement about that person.
Paleoconservatives are most easily distinguishable from other conservatives in their emphatic opposition to open immigration, their strong opposition to affirmative action, and their general disapproval of U.S. intervention overseas.The shoe fits Lou Dobbs, wouldn't you say? Paleos tend to disagree with neocons. The Bush admin is thought to be largely neocon, at least on immigration, nat'l security, trade, and so for lefties, paleos are useful, since they can claim to have balance by having them on their shows, and bash the GOP at the same time. Doesn't mean Lou is wrong on the issues. Just explains why CNN has him around, or why Pat Buchanan is no longer treated as a pariah by MSNBC types. He's useful to them.Most paleos are concerned with the culture-eroding effects of popular culture. Economic issues are not high on their agenda, and they are divided. Many reject the ideology of free trade and laissez-faire economics, arguing that it leads to the deterioration of America's industrial base. Other paleos, however, support laissez-faire economic policies articulated by classical liberals such as Frederic Bastiat in the nineteenth century.
Me too!
As a long time fan of Lou Dobbs I can say that Lou hammered Klintoon & Shillary day-in and day-out all during the 90's.
Forget Brit! I watch Lou Dobbs every evening I'm at home. I sometimes go back to Fox to watch the All-Stars panel. The CNN 7PM "Situation Room" ain't too bad either
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One more thing to note – here is an incomplete exchange printed in the NYT between Dobbs and a representative of the racist and separatist organization known as La Raza, or “The Race” – the translation of which is omitted by the NYT, replaced instead by a nicer sounding “civil rights” organization:
This followed by just a day a confrontation between Mr. Dobbs and a guest on his own program, Janet Murguia, the president of the Hispanic civil rights group National Council of La Raza, during which he lectured her on immigration policy.
"I want you to look me right in the eye, and I want you to hear me loud and clear," Mr. Dobbs said to Ms. Murguia, who replied, "I'm right here."
And what happened next? Oh – I guess nobody said anything. Actually, the guest is exposed as a double-talker and is nailed to the wall by Dobbs when she tries to equate Hispanics and legal immigrants with illegal immigrants.
Here’s the rest of that exchange, in which Dobbs schools Murguia on the facts concerning illegals. It is lengthy, but gives the proper context that the NYT left out:
DOBBS: OK, are you ready to listen to me loud and clear?
MURGUIA: I'm here.
DOBBS: I don't think that we should have any flag flying in this country except the flag of the United States. And let me tell you something else, since we're talking about double standards and I think you're right about people who would believe that.
But let's be clear. I don't think there should be a St. Patrick's Day. I don't care who you are. I think we ought to be celebrating what is common about this country, what we enjoy as similarities as people. And as Peter Viles was reporting, talking about the culture and the heritage of their people and that's why they want to hold up the Mexican flag or Ecuadorian flag.
MURGUIA: No, this is about the American dream, this is about the aspirations of being Americans.
DOBBS: No, let me finish. No, the American dream is being ripped out of the hands of millions of U.S. citizens today. Their jobs are being outsourced. Their schools are falling apart. Half of the Hispanics in this country are dropping out of high school, half of them, and you know that. Half of our -- young blacks are dropping out of high school.
MURGUIA: But look at the contributions. Look at the contributions that immigrants are making. They're paying federal taxes.
DOBBS: Not immigrants, not immigrants, no they're not.
MURGUIA: But Hispanics immigrants, they are paying federal taxes.
DOBBS: No.
MURGUIA: Hispanics and immigrants contribute $519 billion into the Social Security trust fund, a trust fund that's going to pay your Social Security benefits.
DOBBS: Let me given you a real piece of bad news for you. Over half of those people coming to this country illegally don't have a high school education. They're going to be a net drag on the social services of this country. We're going to be supporting them, our social safety net.
MURGUIA: They're going to provide the work force that's up to 25 percent of that work force that is contributing and sustaining the Social Security trust fund that you and many others are going to be able to benefit, $519 billion.
DOBBS: $519 billion? Janet, can I tell you right now, and I want to say this in front of God and everybody, whoever told you that illegal immigrants are going to contribute $519 billion...
MURGUIA: ... Immigrants and Hispanics.
DOBBS: Hispanics now? Now you're saying...
MURGUIA: ... I'm saying that -- you can look it...
DOBBS: .... Excuse me. Do you think that most Hispanics in this country buy this nonsense, that illegal immigration is great?You don't think that there's a division in what Hispanics and Latinos in this country think about illegal immigration?
MURGUIA: No, I think that there are a lot of people who bring different points of view. But I think they all recognize that there's a common objective.
DOBBS: But why would you incorporate what Hispanics do?
MURGUIA: There's a common agenda here in the sense that we want to provide an opportunity to fix the broken system. It needs a comprehensive solution...
DOBBS: OK, here's a solution.
MURGUIA: ... that includes enforcement and it includes a guest worker program in dealing with those 12 million undocument.
DOBBS: Here's a solution. You tell me what's wrong it. First we secure our borders. Then we create a rational and humane immigration policy. We take control of the immigration and our borders in that order.
MURGUIA: We can do enforcement and we can make sure we're supporting some opportunities. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. We really can, we're in the 21st century, we can figure this out. We're a nation of laws and a nation with immigrations.
DOBBS: Janet, I would love to say you're right, but you're watching people go on the set and say they're not talking about amnesty when they're talking about guest workers program. You're watching people sit there and say to you that they're -- please, they're equating Hispanics and illegal aliens.
MURGUIA: We've poured millions and billions of dollars into enforcement-only approaches.
DOBBS: Are you not doing that? Equating Hispanics and illegal aliens?
MURGUIA: No.
DOBBS: You said Hispanics and immigrants?
MURGUIA: No, I'm not doing that. I think other people are doing that.
DOBBS: Where did you get the $519 billion?
MURGUIA: We have a documented report that shows in the Social Security suspension files when they look at who isn't -- they can't identify names, they look at who is contributing. Those are often immigrants without documents who are paying into the Social Security system.
DOBBS: Seven billion dollars a year, do you know what they're costing in terms of social service and suppressed wages a year.
MURGUIA: I'm just saying, they're going to see a lot of...
DOBBS: It's a quarter of a billion dollars.
MURGUIA: ... the economic vitality that we see in this country is due in large part to the immigrant work force.
DOBBS: Why do you say immigrant? We're talking about illegal immigration.
MURGUIA: Well there's immigrants here who are contributing to that.
DOBBS: I would hope so, they have for 200 years.
MURGUIA: Yes, right.
DOBBS: But what about the illegals?
MURGUIA: Let's fix the system, Lou. Let's get a solution that works...
DOBBS: ... That's right, secure the border and then we can worry about the rest.
MURGUIA: But we can secure the border and find opportunities to deal with this. If we just do enforcement only, that's what we did in 1996.
DOBBS: It's four and a half years after September 11th...
MURGUIA: And it hasn't worked.
And for those partisan lefties who think Dobbs has become a right-winger, relax. Here’s his closing thought:
DOBBS: ... we've got a Homeland Security Department that still can't secure a port or a border. We have got a big problem. We can't walk and chew gum, not with this government and not with this administration.
Understood. Lou Dobbs is the only program that CNN produces that I like and enjoy AND watch. I have read in recent months that the alliance between Lou Dobbs and CNN is an unholy one but but mutually acceptable so long as Lou continues to pull in the ratings that he does.
No, it's not--ILLEGAL immigration is destroying America. Don't fall into the libbie trap of mixing the two terms as if they're interchangable.
And once we take care of this problem, if ever, we can work on that "If you're baby is born here he's a citizen" crap...
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, for God's shake, talk facts and reality, you bleeding idiot, don't come on the tube and just babble this multiculti feelgood malarkey.
He sounds like a Bush-bahsing Buchananite/SAVAGE! zombie.
Huck...Mr Dobbs is a fellow Sussex County resident...lives up in Wantage I believe...and he's dead right on this issue
Count me in! 15-20 years ago they had a review of a benefit concert for something -- Meat Loaf was one of the performers. Sure enough, there it was: "Mr. Loaf."
When the rapper 50 Cent bought a mansion here in Farmington a while back, I was dying to see them refer to "Mr. Cent," but they twisted themselves into pretzels to avoid such a formulation.
I agree with Lou.
Is that a fact? I hadn't ever heard he's from up here. That's my backyard. I'm not saying he's wrong on the issue. In fact, I said I am not saying he's wrong. The dude was wondering why CNN keeps him around and I offered my own theory on it. Nothing more. Thanks for that tidbit, though. I'll ask around. I'm surprised I've never heard that before, or seen his picture around town anywhere.
"No, it's not--ILLEGAL immigration is destroying America. Don't fall into the libbie trap of mixing the two terms as if they're interchangable.
"And once we take care of this problem, if ever, we can work on that 'If you're baby is born here he's a citizen' crap..."
I have to part ways with you there. LEGAL immigration is also a terrible problem. Even if the 12-20 million illegals had come here legally, we would have the exact same problems we now have: huge increases in crime, strain on our schools and hospitals, refusal to integrate and speak the English language (witness the waving of the Mexican flags in the recent mob demonstrations), and a driving down of wages. The truth is that since Teddy Bare Kennedy's 1965 immigration scam, America has adopted a legal immigration policy that is inimical to our interests. Instead of strictly limiting legal immigration, we allow in huge numbers. (As though our current 300 million is not adequate. I guess we need to reach the poplulation density of China or India to make the immigrationists happy.) And those allowed in are overwhelmingly poorly educated with job skills at the grass cutter level. This is not a recipe for success for our future. Yes, we do get some skilled engineers from other countries. But overwhelmingly, we are receiving the masses that the Turd World wants to export. It's time to not only completely halt ILLEGAL immigration, but to dramatically curtail and tailor LEGAL immigration to restrict it to the number and type of immigrant we want to invite into our house.
I knew things for me have changed when I stopped watching the kool-aid Bushies on FOX and now watch Lou Dobbs on CNN. It will be so hard for me as a long time Republican and financial supporter of G.W. to stay away during the next elections but I know I will have plenty of fellow conservatives to keep me company.
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