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The Newton Project ^ | 3-28-06

Posted on 03/28/2006 2:28:17 PM PST by Conservative Coulter Fan

"Opposite to the first is Atheism in profession & Idolatry in practise. Atheism is so senseless & odious to mankind that it never had many professors. Can it be by accident that all birds beasts & men have their right side & left side alike shaped (except in their bowells) & just two eyes & no more on either side the face & just two ears on either side the head & a nose with two holes & no more between the eyes & one mouth under the nose & either two fore leggs or two wings or two arms on the sholders & two leggs on the hipps one on either side & no more? Whence arises this uniformity in all their outward shapes but from the counsel & contrivance of an Author? Whence is it that the eyes of all sorts of living creatures are transparent to the very bottom & the only transparent members in the body, having on the outside an hard transparent skin, & within transparent juyces with a crystalline Lens in the middle & a pupil before the Lens all of them so truly shaped & fitted for vision, that no Artist can mend them? Did blind chance know that there was light & what was its refraction & fit the eys of all creatures after the most curious manner to make use of it? These & such like considerations always have & ever will prevail with man kind to beleive that there is a being who made all things & has all things in his power & who is therfore to be feared." --Sir Issac Newton, 'A short Schem of the true Religion'


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1 posted on 03/28/2006 2:28:18 PM PST by Conservative Coulter Fan
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To: RightWingAtheist

PING..


2 posted on 03/28/2006 2:29:10 PM PST by Conservative Coulter Fan (One of the greatet conservative accomplishments would be the undoing of FDR’s big government.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
...just two eyes & no more on either side the face...

I recommend the flounder, Sir Isaac. And is that a centipede on your lapel.

3 posted on 03/28/2006 2:34:15 PM PST by Dark Skies (" For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. " Matthew 6:21)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Atheists re trying to force their religion on the rest of us.


4 posted on 03/28/2006 2:40:08 PM PST by TBP
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To: TBP
I don't see where this article involves atheists forcing their religion.

This article seems to be a traditional explanation by Newton as to why there must be an "Author", or as we call Him recently, an Intelligent Designer.

5 posted on 03/28/2006 2:48:56 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The biggest Lie of all: that we are the Master of Knowledge.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Did blind chance know that there was light & what was its refraction & fit the eys of all creatures

I give up - who's talking about blind chance?

And who suggested light came about to fit the eyes?

That's about as silly as suggesting that it's lucky we have two eyes, or our glasses wouldn't make sense.

6 posted on 03/28/2006 2:58:21 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Atheism is so senseless & odious to mankind that it never had many professors.

According to a survey posted on the National Catholic Reporter, here are the percentages of people who say that torture is never justified:
26% Catholics
31% White Protestant
31% White evangelical
32% Overall Population
41% Secular (Atheist/Agnostic)

The Federal Bureau of Prisons statistics on religious affiliations of inmates:
Catholic......39.164%
Protestant....38.208%
Atheist..........0.209%

Looks like I have more to fear from Catholics and Protestants than Atheists.
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7 posted on 03/28/2006 3:48:37 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99

Well...I guess you're like the Red Cross, which condemned Gitmo alleging torture because terrorists being held there weren't getting proper "nutrition" according to their "standards."


8 posted on 03/28/2006 3:52:31 PM PST by Conservative Coulter Fan (One of the greatet conservative accomplishments would be the undoing of FDR’s big government.)
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To: mugs99

Interesting numbers. Is there a website you could point me to?


9 posted on 03/28/2006 3:53:47 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: From many - one.
National Catholic Reporter Torture Survey

Federal Bureau of Prisons Statistics Religious Affiliation
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10 posted on 03/28/2006 4:11:55 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
No, I'm not like the Red Cross, but I follow Culture Wars and know what you're up to.

Atheists are only 3% of our population. Your Culture War battle cries have turned Conservatism into a national joke. Adding Atheists to your demons list will only garner more votes against Conservatives in November. Why don't you work to build a Conservative Limited Government instead of trying to start a religious war?
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11 posted on 03/28/2006 4:18:12 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99

Methinks your Federal Bureau of Prisons link is pointing to the wrong page.


12 posted on 03/28/2006 4:21:18 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: your mind)
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To: jennyp
Methinks your Federal Bureau of Prisons link is pointing to the wrong page.

Works for me...Bureau of Prisons statistics are in PDF format. Here's two links from the top of the Google list for non government sources:
Prison Inmate Religion

Holysmoke.Org Prison Religion
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13 posted on 03/28/2006 4:34:04 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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I wonder about the reliability of those figures. The Holysmoke outfit appears to be anti-religious and perhaps specifically anti-Catholic. They have Catholics at 39% (by excluding the approximately 20% that they don't have data on--if those were included the Catholics would be under 1/3 even by their counting).

If you compare the other set of figures, from the questionnaire, there are 65% Christians and 50% Protestants, which would put Catholics at 15%...quite a difference.

The only Catholic group which likely has a much higher than average rate of incarceration would be lower-income Hispanics (esp. illegals), but they aren't a big enough share of the population to account for that 39% rate. Something is fishy about the numbers.

14 posted on 03/28/2006 6:19:45 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: mugs99

Do you really think people in prison are religious? So much for government stats.


15 posted on 03/28/2006 6:30:12 PM PST by Amadeo
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To: Verginius Rufus

All numbers derived from government statistics are suspect, IMO.

The point is that Atheists do not have a high proportion of criminals and killers. The National Catholic Reporter survey I linked to shows that Atheists are less suportive of torture than Catholics or Protestants.

Atheists are only 3% of our population. They cause us no problems. Attacking Atheists is no different than attacking Christians or Jews, and should not be tolerated by any American Patriot.
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16 posted on 03/28/2006 9:23:16 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Amadeo
Do you really think people in prison are religious? So much for government stats

Many are. Why would you think otherwise?
Do you really think Atheists are evil?
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17 posted on 03/28/2006 9:27:17 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: jennyp

More Newton from his notes; most of these are searchable.

"A Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture".



[Newton on I John 5:7]


[Newton states that this verse appeared for the first time in the third edition of Erasmus's New Testament.]
"When they got the Trinity; into his edition they threw by their manuscript, if they had one, as an almanac out of date. And can such shuffling dealings satisfy considering men?....It is rather a danger in religion than an advantage to make it now lean on a broken reed.

"In all the vehement universal and lasting controversy about the Trinity in Jerome's time and both before and long enough after it, this text of the "three in heaven" was never once thought of. It is now in everybody’s mouth and accounted the main text for the business and would assuredly have been so too with them, had it been in their books.

"Let them make good sense of it who are able. For my part, I can make none. If it be said that we are not to determine what is Scripture what not by our private judgments, I confess it in places not controverted, but in disputed places I love to take up with what I can best understand. It is the temper of the hot and superstitious art of mankind in matters of religion ever to be fond of mysteries, and for that reason to like best what they understand least. Such men may use the Apostle John as they please, but I have that honour for him as to believe that he wrote good sense and therefore take that to be his which is the best."


18 posted on 03/28/2006 9:33:43 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Entering Darwin Central Emulation Mode:

"Newton wasn't a Real Scientist© "

19 posted on 03/28/2006 9:33:51 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Doctor Stochastic
I'm not sure exactly what Newton is arguing, and haven't looked at the different editions of Erasmus' New Testament, but it's not that that verse was never seen before Erasmus included it in his third edition--the problem is that there are different readings in various early manuscripts of the Greek and in the early translations into Latin and other languages.

I have a Greek NT which has at 5:7 "that they are three who testify"

5:8 reads "the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are one"

That's my translation of Aland's text in the UBS Greek New Testament. He has in the notes a different version of the Greek text found in some manuscripts, in which 5:7 reads:

"testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one." (There are no capitals in the Greek text.)

It appears that some of the early Latin translations have in 5:8 the combination pater, verbum, et spiritus = Father, Word, Spirit).

Whether these two verses are about the Trinity may depend on which manuscript reading you accept.

20 posted on 03/29/2006 6:21:23 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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