So Cal Walkout Pics (Dubya's Future GOP)

Los Angeles Newspaper Group newspapers ^ | 3-28-06 | Myself

[StoneColdGOP]

Joseph Sanchez, Long Beach resident brought out his son, Joseph Sanchez Jr., 4, to protest the HR3447 bill. (Tracey Roman / for the Press-Telegram)

A protester holds up a sign that reads "Revolution is the solution" in spanish. (Tracey Roman / for the Press-Telegram)

School officials keep an eye on marching students as hundreds showed up to Montebello High School and urged those students to leave the school and protest against proposition HR 4437 on March 27, 2006, at the Montebello school. The Mexican flag was raised at the school by the protesting students, shown in the background. Students walked from El Rancho High School in Pico Rivera to Pioneer High School in Whittier, then on to Whittier High School, to Montebello High School and then to downtown Los Angeles. (Raul Roa/Staff photo)

Students protesting wave the Mexican flag as the crowd gathers at Cesar Chavez Park in Long Beach. (Tracey Roman / for the Press-Telegram)

Whittier area students from Pioneer, California and Whittier high schools walked out of classes to protest the proposed federal immigration bill March 27, 2006. The protestors put up the Mexican flag over the American flag flying upsidedown at Montebello High. (Leo Jarzomb/Staff photo)

Students from Marshall High School, Blair High, and Pasadena High School and Muir High School walked to the Pasadena Unified School District Headquarters in protest to denounce a federal legislative proposal that would criminalize illegal immigration and require building a 700-mile wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. (Walt Mancini/Staff photo)

Students holding the flag of Mexico, after the flag of Mexico was put on the flagpole, replacing the American flag and California Republic flag. Pasadena police chief Bernard Melekian with Pasadena police officer Mike Korpal place the flag of California Republic and the American flag to the flagpole at its proper height at Pasadena Unified School District headquarters. (Walt Mancini/Staff photo)

Area high school students raise the Mexican flag at the Montebello High School flag pole as they marched to the school to urge those students to also walk and protest against proposition HR 4437 on March 27, 2006, at the Montebello school. Students walked from El Rancho High School in Pico Rivera to Pioneer High School in Whittier, then on to Whittier High School, to Montebello High School and then to downtown Los Angeles. (Raul Roa/Staff photo)

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[Travis McGee]

The same.

[Travis McGee]

It's a real pity that we not only need to resist an unopposed invasion, but we also need to fight so many Quisling fifth columnists in our midst.

QUISLING: a synonym for traitor, someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country.

[Travis McGee]

You bet.

[antaresequity]

Drop dead...and

Go worship you Jorge...

Sell outs...

[citizen]

Travis, Do you know where the upside down flag pic was taken?

[Libertina]

Gosh I love diversity! /s

[curiosity]

Vincente Fox in Mexico is facing a hard election vs. a genuine communist, and may loose. He's betting he can work out a deal with Bush on the border issue and it will help his party win.

Honestly, I don't see why we should care. It's their business who they elect, and Mexico is a country of very little strategic importance.

So if we get stubborn, a real communist will be in power in Mexico. We get something like 60% of our oil from Mexico and Venenzuela (where a communist also just got elected).

Their oil doesn't do them any good unless they sell it.

What do you expect them to do, drink it?

By alienating hispanics here in this country

A majority of US citizens of Hispanic origin oppose illegal immigration.

Furthermore, a majority of Hispanics have voted for Dems in every major election for the last 40 years. Don't you think it would be a political benefit to limit their population growth by slowing down the rate of Hispanic immigration?

It seems like a much safer strategy then hoping against hope that we'll somehow reverse a consistent pattern that's held up for 40 years.

[narby]

It seems like a much safer strategy then hoping against hope that we'll somehow reverse a consistent pattern that's held up for 40 years

That's exactly why legalizing these people is the only answer. I don't know where you've been, but after the Reagan administration amnesty and solomn promose to get tough on the border, nothing happened.

This time they're not even promising to get tough. Sure, they're going to write new laws, but they wrote laws in the 80's too. Look what good it did? They don't even need new laws now, just enforce the old ones, but there's no serious talk of doing it.

So you have exactly my point. We're not going to reverse the 40 years of flow of mexicans across the border, so the only logical thing to do is welcome them to America, and lead them to the English class. That will clear up all the sneaking across the border, so anyone who does so is a genuine bad guy and will be easier to catch. Thus we increase security.

And we'll know who these people are, and where they're working. Right now there is no accountability at all. All these folks have "papers", but they're bogus papers, worth zero for increasing security.

If we welcome them to this country to be Americans, they won't have to hide from the Border Patrol in the spanish barrios, never learning our language and culture.

It's not a perfect solution. I'd rather they went home. But I'm realistic that we're not going to reverse this 40 year migration. The only option is to manage it as best we can.

[curiosity]

That's exactly why legalizing these people is the only answer. I don't know where you've been, but after the Reagan administration amnesty and solomn promose to get tough on the border, nothing happened.

That's because the Reagan amnesty was NOT accompanied by any tough legislation.

This time they're not even promising to get tough. Sure, they're going to write new laws, but they wrote laws in the 80's too.

No, they didn't. The laws written in the 1980's had no teeth. They didn't give sufficient resources to Law enforcement, and the penalties for hiring illegals were a joke. There were no requirements for verifying employment authorization documents. In short, there was NO good legislation proposed.

In contrast, HR 4437 will do all those things, and more. HR 4437 is truely something different and has not been tried before.

When what he's been trying doesn't work, and we've already tried amnesty, assimlation, and all the things you suggest, a rational person tries something different.

They don't even need new laws now, just enforce the old ones, but there's no serious talk of doing it.

Yes, a new law is needed, because the existing laws do not give law enforcment the resources it needs, nor do they give sufficient penalties for violating the law.

So you have exactly my point. We're not going to reverse the 40 years of flow of mexicans across the border,

Of course you can. Kick them out of their jobs, and they'll have no reason to stay.

We've done the same thing before on a smaller scale. Look up Operation Wetback.

so the only logical thing to do is welcome them to America, and lead them to the English class.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH! You've got to be kidding. With our schools dominated by dogmatic multiculturalists who think America is evil? Yeah, that's going to happen.

That will clear up all the sneaking across the border, so anyone who does so is a genuine bad guy and will be easier to catch. Thus we increase security.

Sanctions with teeth against employing illegals will have the same effect.

And we'll know who these people are, and where they're working. Right now there is no accountability at all. All these folks have "papers", but they're bogus papers, worth zero for increasing security.

And you think the ones who are a risk to security will somehow come forward and tell you who they are?

If we welcome them to this country to be Americans, they won't have to hide from the Border Patrol in the spanish barrios, never learning our language and culture.

They'll just join Mecha, like all the leading Hispanic politicians in California did.

It's not a perfect solution.

It's no solution.

I'd rather they went home. But I'm realistic that we're not going to reverse this 40 year migration.

You're being most unrealistic about prospects for assimilation. I can tell you've spent very little time around the Hispanic Ghetto.

On the other hand, I can see you've given almost no thought to the House Bill that I alluded to earlier, for which there is a very real possibility of passage.

[PrincessatWSU]

Am I missing something or does this issue cross political lines? How did a bill pass in the Judiciary Committee? Oh yeah, it passed because some Republicans voted the same as Democrats in favor of the bill. Neither political party wants to anger the "Latino" vote because its an election year, but the funny thing is that I have communicated with many Latinos that are native-born, as well as LEGAL immigrants, and they are against ILLEGAL immigration as anyone else. So whose vote are the politicians afraid of losing ... the illegal immigrants that can't vote?

[narby]

So whose vote are the politicians afraid of losing ... the illegal immigrants that can't vote?

They're afraid of the latinos who can vote.

Yes, legal latinos don't want illegal immigration. But on the other hand they don't pay much attention to politics and are easily led as a "group". It's no coincidence that the Republican led prop 184 in Ca. resulted in significant losses for Republicans in the last 15 years simply because a republican governor supported it. It wasn't even passed by a Republican legislature, and the Gov. got just one vote on the matter just like everyone else. Nevertheless the Reps got the blame, and it will take another two generations to get that vote back.

This time we face the same situation in AZ, Texas, and in a bunch of other marginal purple states where a few thousand hispanic votes could give us Hillary! for Pres.

Bottom line, Bush will likely make his first veto a bill that has all teeth and no legal status. This was his No 1 issue when he got elected up till 9/11. Now he's back at it, and he's not letting go.

Similarly, the Senate will not pass an all teeth, no legalization bill. So give up on that.

And just like the 1980's, there's no way any teeth only laws will be enforced. There are innumerable ways to enforce border laws already on the books, and they're not being used, and no future laws will be used.

The only viable alternative is assimilation. And not even hard-core Americans are talking that talk, and that's a serious mistake. We don't need to fight illegals and their advocates on this issue. We need to fight liberals so we can get English into schools. Progress has been made on that front, but a little help on it would be appreciated.

Trying to close the border and send illegals back is a wasted effort.

Just watch and see.

[melisa99]

Here's a history lesson for the ill informed
The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which ended the Mexican American war and formalized the conquest and appropriation of half of Mexico's territory into what is now the United States Southwest. The treaty guaranteed Mexican origin people in the appropriated territory "the enjoyment of all the rights of citizens of the U.S according to the principles of the Constitution" (Article IX).
So this Makes California our homeland and the reason we do not look like the Indigenous(NOT INDIANS)people of Mexico and the Southwest is because yes, we can trace our roots to Spain but we can also trace them to the land we are on today. Because our roots are also that of the Indigenous people of Mexico. When the treaty went in to effect some 158 years ago we were the Mexicans you see today.
And let me ask you this can you honestly say that this is your homeland by your comment? If I don't look like in (your words) the "Indians" I'm willing to bet that you don't look like them as well.
Lets think about what we say. Proud to be a 3rd gen Mexican American

[Cecily]

Are you saying that the treaty granted American citizenship to the Mexicans who got absorbed into the United States after the war? If so, those people became Americans. What does that have to do with illegal aliens today who are waving Mexican flags and acting as if they have an automatic right to territory located in the southwest, particularly those who are probably mostly of European origin, and whose ancestors weren't indigenous to Mexico in the fist place? They aren't Americans, and they have no territorial rights to land Mexico lost or sold.

[melisa99]

You can not be mexican unless you are both Spanish and from one of tribes that lived in the southwest or Mexico. I have no idea what point you are trying to make by the mostly of European origin comment, does that have to do with skin color? Another thing is that illegal aliens were not the only ones that where waving their flags. You really shouldn't assume, many of them were and are American citizens who are just tired of the injustices and stereotypes they face each day because of their heritage. Do we not remember injustices the Irish faced years before,with the same issue? How soon we forget. Another thing I am and everyone in my family is an American citizen but we do not consider ourselves Just AMERICAN, We are MEXICAN AMERICANS.

[Cecily]

The European origin comment is meant to expose the hypocrisy of illegal aliens of European extraction trying to claim that parts of the southwest are their "homeland," as if they have some indigenous right to the territory. They don't, and actual native Americans would probably agree.

If they are illegal aliens, their homeland is Mexico or parts further south until such time as they become legal American citizens.