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To: verity
Your simplistic "send them home" comment deserves ridicule.

We did it for MANY MANY years. It used to be that the INS had green buses that would show up at employers and ask for their green cards.

Those without went home.

It ain't that tough. Your mind is just too simple to wrap itself around doing the right thing.

There are hundred of thousands of crimes happening. DAILY! That is too many to actually COMBAT.

Your way of doing nothing is clearly the proper way to proceed.

137 posted on 03/29/2006 2:12:21 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: freedumb2003
It is manifestly evident that a detailed plan-of-action to rid this country of millions of illegals is not forthcoming. My expectations were much too high.

I should not have wasted our time.

144 posted on 03/29/2006 4:04:16 PM PST by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: freedumb2003; Liz

We did it for MANY MANY years. It used to be that the INS had green buses that would show up at employers and ask for their green cards.

Those without went home.

It ain't that tough. Your mind is just too simple to wrap itself around doing the right thing.

There are hundred of thousands of crimes happening. DAILY! That is too many to actually COMBAT.

Your way of doing nothing is clearly the proper way to proceed.


Read it and weep: U.S. Ends Undocumented Immigrant Stings

BTW, I suggest placing coffeecups and other "breakables" outside of arm's reach prior to clicking on that link. Also, shush the cat into the other room, tell your wife or kids to turn up the sound on the television, and close the door to your office. Then, and only then, should you click on that link.

Our trollish friend, who demands answers, and then waxes offensively dismissive of them when they're provided, reminds me of my kids, back when they were little tykes. I'd say things like, "Clean up your room", and they'd come back at me with stuff like, "It's too hard!", or, "I don't know how!"

So, I'd explain that you start small, with whatever is easiest. Pick up your toys, put them in the chest. "But I don't know how!"

OK, then pick up your socks, put them in the hamper.

"It's too hard!"

It took me a while to catch on to the game. Took me a while to catch on to the game with this stuff too.

There are folks who aren't really "looking for a solution". They're apparently looking to "prove" that "a solution" is simply unworkable, and thus, we need a compromise. (And amazingly, the "compromise" always seems to be some form of amnesty, with us keeping the invaders!)

For every obvious fact, there's a corresponding refusal to acknowledge it.

We are supposed to believe the fiction that it would be difficult if not impossible -- and in any case, frustratingly bad economics -- to even try to "find the illegals".

The reality, of course, is that one would have to work hard to avoid "finding" them.

Then, there's the bogus "but what would we do with them" argument.

Finally, the ace in the hole -- the "Argumentum ad Bad Mathum" :) -- the claim that since it's impossible to stick 12 million illegals on a 747, it's therefore impossible to do anything about the problem.

I'd hate to be in a burning building in a venue where the Fire Department was staffed by folks working on that kind of logic.

Can you imagine the lunacy? The firetrucks roll up, and you think, "Hooray, now we can be rescued!" -- but instead, you see the guys in the fire suits huddling, shaking their heads, and then climbing back into their trucks and heading back home!

Why?

Well it's obvious, isn't it? They can't save everyone in that building -- so, they have to leave you all to your fate!

I mean, what kind of sense would it make for them to go in and save those that they could save, even IF they couldn't save everyone?

Sometimes, to see the BS for what it is, you need to look at it in a different context.

The "Defeat Squad" likes to lay down their bogus "facts" as baseline reality, with all "argument" starting out from the assumption that their "facts" are immutable reality. Very clever, eh?

The reason we have between 12 and 20 MILLION illegal invaders is because the situation was allowed to happen. It was allowed to happen because those in a position to do something about it, were persuaded that it was beneficial to do NOTHING about it.

So, now, the job would be harder, sure. But, that doesn't mean we just sit back, admit defeat, and accept the LIE that "we can't deport them".

When you are "debating" with someone who refuses to budge from the "we HAVE to KEEP them" lie, you are dealing with someone with an agenda. It's not a matter of intelligence, because anyone bright enough to log onto the Internet and post their little hearts out, is bright enough to see the OBVIOUS facts -- facts that they dedicate themselves to obfuscating.

As to why they have that agenda, well, I don't care. The fact that they have it, and are working against te interests of my country, is all I need to know.

Facts:

* We CAN put up a viable fence. The fact that Lord Fox and his minions have their panties all knotted up over it is all the proof you need to know that it will hamper their invasion.

* We CAN apprehend illegal aliens. We can apprehend them in any quantity we desire, at any time we desire, in pretty much any place we desire.

* If, as "Team Defeat" insists, we can't deport all 12 million of them at once, then let's just catch tnem at whatever rate we can manage -- and at the same time, work to increase our ability to deal with the problem. HAVING a problem like this, and NOT working to increase our capacity for dealing with it, is evidence of mental disorder!

* IF we start catching and deporting them, EVEN if we "only" take one out of every ten, the other nine will get real nervous real fast, wondering when their number will be up. They will get real paranoid, real fast. Their "job performance" will suffer. Employers will begin firing them. The increased "churn rate" will make it less attractive to hire illegals, because of the sheer hassle and expense of bringing somone on line, training him, and then having him go to pieces on you -- or, up and disappear (into the arms of the government, or, "self-deporting" when he can't take it any more)

These are simple, obvious facts. Facts that "our leaders" realize. What WE need to realize is that it's not a matter of "explaining" to "our leaders" the nature of the problem. It's a matter of confronting ourselves with the fact that "our leaders" do not WANT to "solve the problem" -- they only want to manipulate us into ACCEPTING the problem.

That's because from their perspective, it's NOT a problem -- it's a benefit!

One of ("IMO") the most despicable people of the past century, one B.F. Skinner, said that the secret to successful management of situations like this, is NOT to find out what the people want, and then give it to them. Rather, it's to find out what you HAVE, and then manipulate "the people" into wanting what you are prepared to give them.

This principle is well-established in "Market Research", and, increasingly, in government.

We are maneuvered into thinking we want what's being foisted on us. Sometimes the task is formidable. I mean, how do you convince an entire country that it "wants" to be consumed from within, by a massive influx of people who are loyal to an alien country? How do you convince people to "want" to have their jobs taken away, their neighborhoods turned into slums, their lives made miserable?

So, there's a full court press. It's hard to hammer at a populace, to get them to swallow THAT kind of BS.

A pity "our leaders" won't devote even a fraction of that level of effort into dealing with the problem, instead of trying to coerce us into accepting it!

The solution?

The solution is so insultingly simple that it's crazy to even think you'd NEED to "explain" it to anyone.

So, I don't really expect to see a solution. I expect to see things increase along the same path they're on, because the folks with the reigns in their hands are not about to change course.

Best advice I can give anyone is to learn Spanish -- the Mexican variant, not that Castillian stuff they teach in schools -- and, learn to show respect to our new "guests". You don't want to piss 'em off, and catch a knife between the ribs, now do you?

Welcome to New America. Get used to it.

158 posted on 03/29/2006 7:50:00 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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