Posted on 03/28/2006 4:41:04 AM PST by billorites
Mexicans cheered the proposal approved yesterday by the Senate Judiciary Committee to legalize undocumented migrants and provide temporary work visas, and credited huge marches of migrants across the United States as the decisive factor behind the vote.
Mexican President Vicente Fox said the vote was the result of five years of work dating to the start of his presidential term in 2000, and puts Mexico one step closer toward the government’s goal of “legalization for everyone” who works in the United States.
“My recognition and respect for all the Hispanics and all the Mexicans who have made their voice heard,” Fox said. “We saw them turn out this weekend all across the United States, and that’s going to count for a lot as we move forward.”
Some Mexican media outlets were even more euphoric, predicting final approval for the committee bill as drafted, and suggesting the weekend demonstrations showed Mexico still holds some sway over former territories which it lost in the 1846-48 Mexican-American War.
“With all due respect to Uncle Sam, this shows that Los Angeles has never stopped being ours,” reporter Alberto Tinoco said on the Televisa television network’s nightly news broadcast, referring to a Saturday march in Los Angeles that drew an estimated 500,000, mainly Mexicans.
But U.S. ambassador Tony Garza warned Mexicans yesterday that the proposal still faces a long, difficult path through Congress.
“The debate will no doubt be heated and at times contentious,” Garza wrote in an open letter distributed in Mexico City. “The debate in the Senate is only one part of the lengthy process.”
The bill is designed to strengthen enforcement of U.S. borders, regulate the flow into the country of so-called guest workers and determine the legal future of the estimated 11 million immigrants living in the United States illegally.
The bill would double the Border Patrol and authorizes a “virtual wall” of unmanned vehicles, cameras and sensors to monitor the U.S.-Mexico border. It also allows more visas for nurses and agriculture workers, and shelters humanitarian organizations from prosecution if they provide non-emergency assistance to illegal residents.
The most controversial provision would permit illegal aliens currently in the country to apply for citizenship without first having to return home, a process that would take at least six years.
Fox has been pushing for a migration accord that would grant some form of legal status to many of the estimated 6 million undocumented Mexicans in the United States. He is likely to bring up the topic when he meets with President Bush starting Thursday in Cancun.
Although a bill granting amnesty to illegal immigrants is unlikely to be approved by Congress, Fox remains hopeful that at least a guest-worker program will be put in place before he leaves office on Dec. 1.
If the United States approves such a program, it would bolster Fox’s image and aid the prospects of Felipe Calderon, presidential candidate for Fox’s National Action Party, or PAN, said George Grayson, a Mexico expert at the College of William & Mary.
“Fox is looking for some way to be remembered in history,” Grayson said.
Illegal migration has emerged as a significant issue in the campaigns of Mexico’s three major presidential hopefuls for the July 2 elections, and the United States has asked Mexico to do more to strengthen security along their common border.
Yeah, but from Mexico? They are floating on a sea of oil down there. No excuse for poverty down there except for the corruption of the current government.
Better get used to it.
Cut off benefits (and no crying because boo-hoo they are sick and cannot get health care), fine businesses that hire them to dry up a big reason that they come here, and no more everything in Spanish (or Mandarin, Cantonese, Vietnamese, Korean, et al) as well as in English. The biggest thing is to dry up the labor market. If cheap Americans wouldn't hire them, they wouldn't be here.
I should not have wasted our time.
IMHO, this has great merit. Eliminate the incentives.
Including the jobs. Dry up the jobs. The only way to do that is fine the employers.
Go to employers at random. INsist on seeing documents for all workers. Deport the undocumented. Repeat.
Insist on documents establishing legal residency for schools, hospitals and all other social services.
I should not have wasted our time.
You got that right, traitor.
Oh and fine the employers what the law says right now. I believe that is $1,000 per worker per occurrence.
I pushed you into being specific. It required much patience on my part.
I noted that you are from CA. Is there a dramatic lack of enforcement regarding the jobs issue or is the number of illegals proving to be overwhelming?
"Mexicans cheered the proposal..." That's fine. The prez and all of his political punks believe that the illegal voting block will support them.
This block is blackmailing the politicians. Also, the spirit of the legal Americans is being struck down. Politicians must remember who holds the intellectual property. Politicians may get their fruit picked and their house cleaned. But piss off legal Americans and you set off a large disgruntled tax base.
I have never seen my vote so trampled on. If any portion of this crap goes through I am out of here. Screw them all!!!!!!!!!!!!
"What kind of cowards are in power?"
Now you get to see who has the power. Bend over and enjoy the ride.
Thanks to Jack Bruce...
Hey now baby, get into my big black car.
Hey now baby, get into my big black car.
I want to just show you what my politics are.
I’m a political man and I practice what I preach.
I’m a political man and I practice what I preach.
So don’t deny me baby, not while you’re in my reach.
I support the left, though I’m leaning, leaning to the right.
I support the left, though I’m leaning to the right.
But I’m just not there when it’s coming to a fight.
Hey now baby, get into my big black car.
Hey now baby, get into my big black car.
I want to just show you what my politics are.
It's both. Really, ICE could stop at any Homes Depot or Lowe's any day of the week and catch about 20-100 illegal immigrants at each location. If they wanted to.
And the numbers are overwhelming.
And it doesn't help when citizens of this country are willing to assist the lawbreakers by hiring them. Of course, many are convinced (even some at FR) that illegals are helping keep prices down. No, they are just helping businesses that employ them get wealthier and pass the cost on to the rest of us.
Not only cowards, but stupid too.
(side note that FARC terrorists often find themselves in worse situation than they were before in the civilian sector, but those get murdered and only the nuts get to be kept and to reproduce together, basicaly.)
We could coopt the illegals to work for us but they are instead coopted by Mexico and Communist revolutionaries parasiting.
What is eggregious and dangerous thus, is not that they merely are illegals, but that the whole protest and program we offer is one shaped to be coopted by foreign and domestic terrorists forces, and that we are not allowed, to, say, make a deal with them whereby we work for them if they work for us, as in enforcement against future illegals coming in or against their oppressive established government in Mexico. No, instead, it is the "established" in America that are targeted.
Click the link and read especially comments #4,460-4,463. Your suspicions are corrent. Freepers have been investigating who's behind these "spontaneous" protests.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1550424/posts?page=4679#4679
Sadly, I don't know. It seems our politicians view them as new voters and cheap labor. As a conservative I thought I voted for a party that would protect our border's and not let it get this bad. It appears I was wrong!
Due to the fact that advanced middle age has come upon me hand in hand with accelerated decrepitude, I get to "enjoy" more than my fair share of visits to various hospitals. (I'm nearly to the point that I can call out the serial number of an MRI machine after ten seconds of listening to the "whammawhammawhammaWHUMP" sounds it makes:)
Anyway, one of the hospitals I grace with truckloads of Blue Cross Bucks has a phone hanging on the wall, visible from the registration cubical.
It is the strangest phone I have ever seen in my life.
I finally broke down and asked what's the deal with that phone?
Turns out that the hospital is required to be able to provide translation to/from any language imaginable. So, when someone comes in, speaking some strange dialect of Lower Slobovian, they get on that phone, and in a few minutes, they're talking with a translator.
I can only imagine the cost of that kind of "service". It's made even more absurd that in the rural area I'm in, I would be extremely surprised if they ever encounter a patient who did not speak either English or Spanish (with the latter becoming of course an increasingly large percentage). BTW, it seemed to me like a lot of the people working at the hospital were bilingual. (I know that the person I was speaking with was, because she works as a translator for the school where my wife teaches.)
Seems like "we" are committed to chasing after every imaginable "service", no matter how marginal the "benefit", no matter how expensive the COST.
Yet, things that really do matter are not given the time of day.
We are not only dedicated to rearanging the deck chairs on the Titanic, but, we've apparently committed ourself to "repurposing" every crew member to that "task". People are called away from the lifeboats, in order to fart around with the deck chairs.
There is a word for that kind of stuff. The word is "madness".
Read it and weep: U.S. Ends Undocumented Immigrant Stings
We did it for MANY MANY years. It used to be that the INS had green buses that would show up at employers and ask for their green cards.Those without went home.
It ain't that tough. Your mind is just too simple to wrap itself around doing the right thing.
There are hundred of thousands of crimes happening. DAILY! That is too many to actually COMBAT.
Your way of doing nothing is clearly the proper way to proceed.
BTW, I suggest placing coffeecups and other "breakables" outside of arm's reach prior to clicking on that link. Also, shush the cat into the other room, tell your wife or kids to turn up the sound on the television, and close the door to your office. Then, and only then, should you click on that link.
Our trollish friend, who demands answers, and then waxes offensively dismissive of them when they're provided, reminds me of my kids, back when they were little tykes. I'd say things like, "Clean up your room", and they'd come back at me with stuff like, "It's too hard!", or, "I don't know how!"
So, I'd explain that you start small, with whatever is easiest. Pick up your toys, put them in the chest. "But I don't know how!"
OK, then pick up your socks, put them in the hamper.
"It's too hard!"
It took me a while to catch on to the game. Took me a while to catch on to the game with this stuff too.
There are folks who aren't really "looking for a solution". They're apparently looking to "prove" that "a solution" is simply unworkable, and thus, we need a compromise. (And amazingly, the "compromise" always seems to be some form of amnesty, with us keeping the invaders!)
For every obvious fact, there's a corresponding refusal to acknowledge it.
We are supposed to believe the fiction that it would be difficult if not impossible -- and in any case, frustratingly bad economics -- to even try to "find the illegals".
The reality, of course, is that one would have to work hard to avoid "finding" them.
Then, there's the bogus "but what would we do with them" argument.
Finally, the ace in the hole -- the "Argumentum ad Bad Mathum" :) -- the claim that since it's impossible to stick 12 million illegals on a 747, it's therefore impossible to do anything about the problem.
I'd hate to be in a burning building in a venue where the Fire Department was staffed by folks working on that kind of logic.
Can you imagine the lunacy? The firetrucks roll up, and you think, "Hooray, now we can be rescued!" -- but instead, you see the guys in the fire suits huddling, shaking their heads, and then climbing back into their trucks and heading back home!
Why?
Well it's obvious, isn't it? They can't save everyone in that building -- so, they have to leave you all to your fate!
I mean, what kind of sense would it make for them to go in and save those that they could save, even IF they couldn't save everyone?
Sometimes, to see the BS for what it is, you need to look at it in a different context.
The "Defeat Squad" likes to lay down their bogus "facts" as baseline reality, with all "argument" starting out from the assumption that their "facts" are immutable reality. Very clever, eh?
The reason we have between 12 and 20 MILLION illegal invaders is because the situation was allowed to happen. It was allowed to happen because those in a position to do something about it, were persuaded that it was beneficial to do NOTHING about it.
So, now, the job would be harder, sure. But, that doesn't mean we just sit back, admit defeat, and accept the LIE that "we can't deport them".
When you are "debating" with someone who refuses to budge from the "we HAVE to KEEP them" lie, you are dealing with someone with an agenda. It's not a matter of intelligence, because anyone bright enough to log onto the Internet and post their little hearts out, is bright enough to see the OBVIOUS facts -- facts that they dedicate themselves to obfuscating.
As to why they have that agenda, well, I don't care. The fact that they have it, and are working against te interests of my country, is all I need to know.
Facts:
* We CAN put up a viable fence. The fact that Lord Fox and his minions have their panties all knotted up over it is all the proof you need to know that it will hamper their invasion.
* We CAN apprehend illegal aliens. We can apprehend them in any quantity we desire, at any time we desire, in pretty much any place we desire.
* If, as "Team Defeat" insists, we can't deport all 12 million of them at once, then let's just catch tnem at whatever rate we can manage -- and at the same time, work to increase our ability to deal with the problem. HAVING a problem like this, and NOT working to increase our capacity for dealing with it, is evidence of mental disorder!
* IF we start catching and deporting them, EVEN if we "only" take one out of every ten, the other nine will get real nervous real fast, wondering when their number will be up. They will get real paranoid, real fast. Their "job performance" will suffer. Employers will begin firing them. The increased "churn rate" will make it less attractive to hire illegals, because of the sheer hassle and expense of bringing somone on line, training him, and then having him go to pieces on you -- or, up and disappear (into the arms of the government, or, "self-deporting" when he can't take it any more)
These are simple, obvious facts. Facts that "our leaders" realize. What WE need to realize is that it's not a matter of "explaining" to "our leaders" the nature of the problem. It's a matter of confronting ourselves with the fact that "our leaders" do not WANT to "solve the problem" -- they only want to manipulate us into ACCEPTING the problem.
That's because from their perspective, it's NOT a problem -- it's a benefit!
One of ("IMO") the most despicable people of the past century, one B.F. Skinner, said that the secret to successful management of situations like this, is NOT to find out what the people want, and then give it to them. Rather, it's to find out what you HAVE, and then manipulate "the people" into wanting what you are prepared to give them.
This principle is well-established in "Market Research", and, increasingly, in government.
We are maneuvered into thinking we want what's being foisted on us. Sometimes the task is formidable. I mean, how do you convince an entire country that it "wants" to be consumed from within, by a massive influx of people who are loyal to an alien country? How do you convince people to "want" to have their jobs taken away, their neighborhoods turned into slums, their lives made miserable?
So, there's a full court press. It's hard to hammer at a populace, to get them to swallow THAT kind of BS.
A pity "our leaders" won't devote even a fraction of that level of effort into dealing with the problem, instead of trying to coerce us into accepting it!
The solution?
The solution is so insultingly simple that it's crazy to even think you'd NEED to "explain" it to anyone.
So, I don't really expect to see a solution. I expect to see things increase along the same path they're on, because the folks with the reigns in their hands are not about to change course.
Best advice I can give anyone is to learn Spanish -- the Mexican variant, not that Castillian stuff they teach in schools -- and, learn to show respect to our new "guests". You don't want to piss 'em off, and catch a knife between the ribs, now do you?
Welcome to New America. Get used to it.
Great piece, Don.
I've bookmarked it and will send people to it when they start singing their traitorous pro-illegal, anti-America, "it's too HARD, Daddy" song.
I imagine similar problems most every-where ...just in greater numbers in the border states.
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