Posted on 03/27/2006 9:12:18 PM PST by furquhart
I'm probably a little early, but I see on Fox that they're already showing the ritual votes of the leaders, etc.
Makes sense to me...
Yes, be very skeptical about "demographic" driven possibilities..
Yes. The second intifada had already begun. He called it "unilateral separation" not disengagement, but the meaning was the same.
The "split" that is being discussed are outlying Arab areas, originally Arab villages, that Jerusalem grew into. Abu Dis is included and that was ceded to the Palestinians by Ehud Barak in 1999 and was never within Jerusalem's municipal boundaries. What we are talking about is the area already outside the separation barrier. This is not the sort of division Ehud Barak proposed, which would have divided the Old City and Arab neighborhoods deep within Jerusalem. It is strictly what is already beyond the barrier.
Those who say Prime Minister Olmert will give up half of Jerusalem are quoting Kadima's opponents or their own fears, not anything than anyone within Kadima has proposed.
Ehud Olmert, when mayor of Jerusalem, was considered a Likud "hard liner" by the left. He challenged Ariel Sharon for party leadership and lost badly. He then allied himself with then Likud and opposition leader Sharon and the two became close. He adopted the idea of unilateral separation before Prime Minister Sharon did. He was Vice Premier under Prime Minister Sharon and became acting Prime Minister when Prime Minister Sharon suffered his second stroke.
Mmmmm, it's nice! Meretz takes even less than the Arabs... the silly pinkos are getting a well deserved ass-kicking. Well, there is some justice after all.
NOTE: The following news brief is a quote:
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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1143498751885&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Mar. 28, 2006 11:39
Two Israelis seriously wounded by Kassam rocket
By YAAKOV KATZ
Two Israelis were seriously wounded when a Kassam rocket landed between Nahal Oz and Karni late Tuesday morning.
Security forces were already on high alert because of some 80 warnings Intelligence had gathered of plans to carry out attacks on Election Day.
UPDATE...
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1143498751620&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
JPost.com » Israel » Article
Mar. 28, 2006 10:51 | Updated Mar. 28, 2006 13:13
"Two Beduin shepherds killed by Kassam rocket in South"
By YAAKOV KATZ AND JPOST STAFF
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Two Israelis were killed by a Kassam rocket in an open area between Kibbutz Nahal Oz and the Karni crossing late Tuesday morning.
The victims were apparently a father and son.
The Kassam exploded among a group of Beduin shepherds. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack, Israel Radio reported.
The IDF was investigating the possibility that the rocket had not actually been fired on Tuesday, but was a stray ordnance that had somehow been triggered.
Two other people on the scene - including a sister of the killed boy - were taken to Soroka Medical Center in Beersheba and being treated for shock."
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Sod them. Vote Likud. Bibi is a good man and you had to love someone who drove Bill Clinton 'round the twist as much as he did.
Regards, Ivan
I heard the other day that Olmert was actually talking about giving up part of Jerusalem. I cannot get anykind of response from anyone to verify this. Does anyone know?? I cannot believe they would do this!!!
I'm rooting for BB!
It goes into Lebanon, and includes part of the Sinai, and probably includes part of Syria as well.
Ancient Judea/Israel wasn't a -vast- kingdom, but it was of significant size, given the region, and was a very wealthy land.
The election isn't as interesting as the formation of the government, depending on how the numbers come out of course. It sounds like the linchpin of a leftist coalition may well be the Arab seats.
I am not lying. Your article confirms just exactly what I said -- outlying Arab areas outside the fence,
You are a pathetic little man when you stoop to calling the child of two Holocaust survivors a kapo and when you compare Kadima (the ruling party of Israel at the moment) to Hamas.
You cast stones from thousands of miles away and demand policies that would lead to Israel's destruction. You think you know better than Israelis what is good for Israel. You know nothing.
I am paid by no political party and I certainly do not support the Palestinians.
You keep making Hamas a big issue. There is *NO DIFFERENCE* between Hamas or Fatah other than that Fatah lied through their teeth to pay lip service to a peace process they destroyed. They are both terrorist groups bent on the destruction of Israel. If anything the Hamas election (which no Israeli politician could have prevented other than by preventing the election) may actually be good for Israel in that it made the true nature of the Palestinian Authority and of the Palestinian people clear to some in Washington and Ottawa and even a few in Europe who blinded themselves to it before. If it helps isolate the Palestinians its an improvement.
Kadima is going to win this election, Kadima will form either a center-left-religious coalition or a truly broad based coalition (i.e: including Yisrael Beitenu) and have an overwhelming majority in favor of separating from the Palestinians in the Knesset. Get over it. Get over yourself.
It's not fair to always jump to the Kapo conclusion.
Sometime you must consider that it's just plain stupidity
and/or a mental illness characterized by delusions.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1604731/posts
I agree with you completely. The election of Hamas was good for Israel and the US. The world did not really learn anything new about the Palestinians from their election. All that happened was that there is now less excuse to avoid facing the truth. The result is that the terms of the debate have shifted to a more realistic state. The "separation" plan, which I've been promoting for years (including a unilateral setting of Israel's borders) went from a rarely-mentioned, poorly-understood fringe position here in the US to the central proposal, now familiar to all. Pres. Bush and Sec. Rice still weakly talk of not acting unilaterally, and of resolving the borders through negotiations with the Palestinians, but that is a dead horse. If Kadima wins and forms a government strongly behind separation, then separation can and will happen. Good!
This is a very sad result. 8 seats for the "Pensioners party" and 14 for "Israel Beitenu". Wasted votes all... they will merely be pawns in Kadima's horse-trading. Likud was the only party serious about setting up an opposition to Kadima, and they will just barely beat Shas (another unfortunate pawn).
The only true Opposition to Kadima will come from Likud (unless it's now taken over by a Kadima lackey) and the NRP/NU. On the upside... those parties will benefit enormously as Kadima implodes under the weight of it's own ideological vacance.
Exit polls show Olmert's Kadima party winning, but fewer seats
JERUSALEM (AP) — Projections by Israel's three main TV stations showed acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's centrist Kadima Party winning Tuesday's election but getting fewer seats than expected.
The center-left Labor Party, a likely coalition partner for Olmert, came in a strong second. The hard-line Likud, which dominated Israeli politics for three decades and opposes Olmert's plan to withdraw from much of the West Bank, came in a distant third, according to polls broadcast immediately after voting ended.
According to the TV projections, Kadima would win 29-32 seats in the 120-member parliament, Labor 20-22 seats and Likud 11-12 seats.
If confirmed by final results, the projections mean Olmert could likely form a center-left coalition to carry out his plan of drawing Israel's final borders by 2010.
Surprise showings were made by two marginal parties.
The hard-line Israel Beitenu Party of Avigdor Lieberman, who advocates redrawing Israel's borders to exclude Israeli Arabs, was expected to win 12-14 seats, making it the third-largest party in parliament. Lieberman's party has two representatives in the old parliament.
Lieberman was the chief aide to former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
The Pensioners' Party, not represented in the last parliament, was expected to win 6-8 seats, and Kadima officials said the party was a natural coalition partner for Olmert.
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