Posted on 03/27/2006 8:50:39 AM PST by Reagan Man
We are fighting the illegal alien problem with the wrong tactics. We’re playing defense when we should be playing offense.
Instead of fighting against Mexican illegals we should declare all Mexicans to be United States citizens and then annex all of Mexico.
There are about 300 million Americans, and 106 million Mexicans, so they would be a minority of about 25% of our new population.
That would put the Mexican governing oligarchy on the defensive. They will be busy trying to save their positions of wealth and power and suddenly the Mexican government will be strongly against immigration and putting up a border wall of their own.
LOL… This might be fun to try.
I have tried to come up with a solution, that probably everyone will object to which hopefully means it is about right. It is at another FR thread "Immigration debate set to heat up with lawmakers" as Comment #30. I would appreciate well reasoned comments, to help may improve or modify this proposal before I submit it to several Congresspeople. Being new to computers, I don't know how to make it a link from this thread. I would be grateful if someone could do it for me.
I am definitely in favor of firm border control, and hope we will reduce mandatory penalties for low level pot and other drug incarcerations. Otherwise we will not have space to jail those who enter illegally and are potentially dangerous, without spending lots more tax money on prisons.
Illegal immigration = Invasion
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Takeover of the southwest USA
I wasn't talking about the content -- I was talking about the manner in which positions have been advanced. Lots of "I don't care to discuss" and "I'm so mad about this" and "I'm not interested in having a debate". A foot-stamping temper tantrum, for the most part. Lots of feelings, lots of emotion, little expressed rationality. Exactly what one finds on DU, just on the other side of the issue.
Pretty much. If the goal is to vent, well, that's been accomplished. But at some point, to pass legislation, people have to talk about the issues and hammer something out. And at that point, the side that thinks strategically and makes the best case to the public generally gets what it wants. There's a lot of metaphorical spittle flying off lips that's just going to play into the hands of people who are trying to stop immigration reform.
You got it.
I guess he didn't see the criminal illegal border jumpwers BURNING the AMERICAN flag.
Wow. I had know idea that those type of signs were being made. That is absolutely amazing and disgusting. I am more against them than ever now.
It's an emotionally charged issue. I am willing to debate; but, it is a little like sitting in a den trying to decide on something while the house is on fire. The first step is to control the illegal flow of immigration and to remove those illegals already on our shores; beyond that we can look at putting in place a reasonable program to secure whatever labor resources our industries may need.
I still want to know why so many able bodied, non-working people can draw Social Security at thirty to buy booze, drugs, and cigarettes, while the working people may never get it at all.
That's actually two steps, not one. It does no good to remove illegals when they can just come back right away. The most important thing is to cap the problem by securing the borders. That is, by far, the most important thing to achieve.
I do not think a border lockdown plus expulsion of all illegals has a hope in hell of getting through Congress. At the least, you'd get a Dem filibuster. And while we're fighting that unwinnable battle, the problem will get worse.
The most important thing to do is secure the border. Build the wall, increase patrols, etc. And I'm willing to do some compromise on some other issues if we must do so to get that.
Bush was speaking at a ceremony where immigrants were getting sworn in legally.
That was the context.
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True, but he was referencing current debate on pending legislation for illegal aliens.
Civil war maybe but I doubt if it will be a "civil debate".
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