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Stalin would have sent troops to Britain if the Nazis invaded in order to open up a "Second Front" against Hitler.

Ah yes, I'm sure the Red Army would have "liberated" Britain from the fascists, just like they liberated Eastern Europe.

Who Started the Second World War? - Marx and Engels believed that clashes between the capitalist nations would create avenues for the establishment of socialism. Lenin shared this belief. He saw World War I as a way among capitalist-imperialist powers, fighting over the plunder of the world. The more brutal and destructive the war, the more the power bases of the capitalist classes would be weakened. And out of this destruction would come the opportunity to transform a capitalist war into a "class war," resulting in the victory of communism.

World War I created the conditions for the Bolshevik Revolution and the triumph of socialism in Russia. Lenin believed that another world war would bring about the death of capitalism in other nations. Hence, anything that created the conditions for another world war was viewed as good from the revolutionary Marxist point of view.

During the late 1920s and early 1930s, the Soviets assisted the Nazis in destroying the Weimar Republic in Germany. "Icebreaker" was the Soviet code name for Hitler — the man who Would "break the ice "bring about another world war, and create the opportunity for the destruction of capitalism in Europe and the victory of socialism under Soviet leadership.

By signing the Nazi-Soviet pact in August 1939, Stalin deliberately produced the conditions for the world war that he wanted. Germany would fight the Other two main European powers — Britain and France — and then the Soviet Union would enter the war in its final stages to come out as the ultimate victor.


1 posted on 03/26/2006 9:10:59 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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The whole article misses the point: the phrasebook and plans show that the Soviets would have joined not opposed, a Nazi invasion of Britain.

Why else would instructions be given on how to take English speaking prisoners?

2 posted on 03/26/2006 9:14:34 PM PST by pierrem15
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But the date of the phrasebook's publication, summer 1940 - a year before the Soviets published their equivalent German phrasebook - is seen as highly significant. Some historians based in the former Soviet Union believe it adds weight to a controversial theory that Stalin would have sent troops to Britain if the Nazis invaded in order to open up a "Second Front" against Hitler.

1940 was a year before Germany and the Soviet Union started a war. In 1940, Germany and the USSR were at peace after having split Poland and Germany was at war with France, England and much of the rest of Western Europe. Those historians seem to have forgoten history and are thus condemned to repeat it in a remedial class.

3 posted on 03/26/2006 9:20:57 PM PST by KarlInOhio (The tree of liberty is getting awfully parched.)
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The book was dated 1940. Sounds to me more like Stalin was preparing the Red Army to take part in Operation Sea Lion along with his Nazi allies.


4 posted on 03/26/2006 9:27:38 PM PST by fso301
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To send troops to Britain Stalin would have needed long distance sea lift on a massive scale, which he did not have. Having a land-lubbing army, the only way it could make sense would be for operations in a Nazi alliance.


5 posted on 03/26/2006 9:28:02 PM PST by GSlob
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6 posted on 03/26/2006 9:30:25 PM PST by prophetic
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7 posted on 03/26/2006 9:33:41 PM PST by nopardons
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10 posted on 03/26/2006 9:42:51 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Red meat, we were meant to eat it - Meat and Livestock Australia TV ad campaign)
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Russian sent a battalion or two to France during the first world war. They were forgotten, ill-used and mostly died. They were looked down upon by the French not tolerated by the populance.

I dont think the British would have suffered Stalins 'help' for long. The fear of the 'red menace' was high in pre-war England.


18 posted on 03/26/2006 10:40:53 PM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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Why would Stalin need pictures of Scapa Flow and the British battleships there if the plan was to help the British? It defies common sense. He would need the pictures if he intended to attack there.

Stalin joined Hitler in dismembering Poland in 1939. They remained solid allies throughout 1940 and into 1941, despite Hitler's growing desire to doublecross Stalin. To think that Stalin, who was deathly afraid of German military might, would strain to put Soviet troops in England to fight Hitler - when it would be much easier to do it in, say, Poland or East Prusssia - is in the realm of weird doublethink fantasy.

20 posted on 03/26/2006 11:34:43 PM PST by KellyAdmirer
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"But the date of the phrasebook's publication, summer 1940 ... The book includes staples of military confrontations such as "Hands Up!", "Surrender!" and "If you make noise I shall kill you!" all with guides to pronunciation in the Cyrillic alphabet. Others are aimed at calming down nervous civilians, such as "Do not be afraid of the Red Army men!", "Everything taken by the Red Army from the inhabitants will be paid for!" and even how to ask for more tea"

--- A possibly more reasonable explaination is found in Russia's long time desire for a warm water port. Most of the Middle East and all of India was under British rule or occupation at that time. Relatively easy matter for the Soviets to attack from the 'stans into Iran then turn west into Egypt & east in India.


26 posted on 03/27/2006 5:49:25 AM PST by Casekirchen (That the MSM like John ("Keating 5") McCain is reason enough to disqualify him from elected office)
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If Stalin was considering putting troops in England... it was only because he desired a portion of it... just like he managed to do with Poland.

When one offers Stalin... as opposed to Hitler, you are not given much of a choice.

28 posted on 03/27/2006 6:19:33 AM PST by johnny7 (“Nah, I ain’t Jewish, I just don’t dig on swine, that’s all.”)
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Being a man of simple interpretations, to me, this revelation means only one thing. The "Icebreaker" theory is completely true, the Kremlin's goal was to use WW2 as the entree to conquer all of Europe, and the assault on the UK (from which an island hopping campaign across the North Atlantic, coincident with a simulatneous one across the Aleutians orignating in Kamchatka, would be launched) was a key objective.

Interestingly, keeping all this in mind, and viewing the new demon, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, I'd have to say that significant elements of that old plan are still relevant. What are the West's contingency plans for a multipronged SCO conquest into Europe, SE Asia, the Persian Gulf, and beyond? If the answer is "ICBMs" then whoever made that plan is an idiot. Oh, of course we need ICBMs, but we need a whole lot more than that!


34 posted on 04/19/2006 9:11:48 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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