LOL!
Posted on 03/26/2006 3:43:54 PM PST by abu afak
No one is being charged with espionage or anything close to espionage as the poster in #14 knows.
In fact the charges involved may be unconstitutional.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603481/posts
A truth lobby is needed to point out all the anti Israel and anti Semitic lies told.
Maybe the question that should be asked is whether it is possible for America's interests and Israel's interests in terms of Middle East politics and policies to ever differ?
The Jews I know about all support the liberals no matter.
And don't tell me they aren't "real" Jews!
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Stick a fork in 'em - they're done. :)
They now hang out there on the fringe, with Joe Sobran, David Duke, the mad Iranian mullahs, Holocaust deniers, and other nutcases.
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It does make one wonder how bad things are when we have to depend on the likes of Gergen to defend the policy...
As David McCullough writes, Harry Truman recognized Israel in 1948 out of humanitarian concerns and in spite of pressure from Jewish groups, not because of it.
That's a straw man or a red herring. Clearly Truman wouldn't bend to pressure. Indeed, he might turn against those who tried to pressure him. That's probably what he's getting at with the "in spite of." And in fact there wasn't much to pressure Truman with. Recognizing Israel still didn't win him New York or New Jersey in 1948.
But pressure isn't the only form of influence. If Truman came to see things in the same light as the Zionists, it could be a sign that their efforts at getting their message out and framing the situation were successful. Of course, it could also be true that Truman was inclined to go their way, and Zionists didn't need to put in the effort. But Gergen offers such a narrow view of what lobbies and lobbyists do, that it's hard to take him seriously. He thinks it refutes the view he attacks, but his naivete does a lot to undermine his own argument.
I don't mind that there is an Israel lobby. Credit to the Israelis for being able to exercise so much influence on the US. However, all Americans should be loyal to the USA first and NOT make the mistake that the two countries' interests are 100% aligned. 1. WE need oil. 2. WE need security 3. WE need to have talking relations even with Israel's enemies in order to make progress anywhere. I admire the Israelis tremendously for what they have acheived in building their nation. However it would be foolish for America to ignore the rest of the world and continue to blindly follow Israel policy
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