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There is no Israel 'Lobby'
NYDailyNews ^ | 3/26/06 | David Gergen

Posted on 03/26/2006 3:43:54 PM PST by abu afak

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1 posted on 03/26/2006 3:43:57 PM PST by abu afak
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To: SJackson; Alouette; Yehuda; West Coast Conservative

KAAA-PING!!


2 posted on 03/26/2006 3:46:45 PM PST by abu afak (Mellita, domi adsum)
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To: abu afak

Only the most radical liberals believe we should just let the Arabs push the Jews into the sea.


3 posted on 03/26/2006 3:54:36 PM PST by Always Right
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To: abu afak

Mearsheimer and Walt are going to get pounded into the ground over their paper. They deserve it.


4 posted on 03/26/2006 3:58:04 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: abu afak
There is no Israel 'Lobby'

... but... but... but Pat Buchanan (and his ever-ready chorus of online apologists) says there is too, is too! Oh, who to believe...?!? < /sarcasm>

5 posted on 03/26/2006 4:01:04 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: abu afak

"Over the course of four tours in the White House, I never once saw a decision in the Oval Office to tilt U.S. foreign policy in favor of Israel at the expense of America's interest."

That's really the most important line of the article. As another commentator pointed out earlier this week, we must ask ourselves why these researchers feel that there is something nefarious about AIPAC, but say nothing about the lobby for relations with any other nation. The entire point of the study seems to be the accusation that Jews are not loyal to the US... and yes... that IS anti-semitism


6 posted on 03/26/2006 4:01:29 PM PST by Battleofbritain
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To: SJackson; Alouette; veronica; Slings and Arrows

Ping


7 posted on 03/26/2006 4:01:37 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A Jovial Cad; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; adam_az; af_vet_rr; agrace; ahayes; ...
FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel/Russian Jewry ping list.

Warning! This is a high-volume ping list.

8 posted on 03/26/2006 4:08:50 PM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 119:97-176)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

"Over the course of four tours in the White House, I never once saw a decision in the Oval Office to tilt U.S. foreign policy in favor of Israel at the expense of America's interest."

I know it is and I BOLDED it on another board I posted it on but it's a bit more difficult here, especially within a long article, as then the whole post must be coded to avoid compression into one large paragraph etc


9 posted on 03/26/2006 4:10:38 PM PST by abu afak (Mellita, domi adsum)
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To: abu afak

...? I'm sorry... but: did you mean that to be addressed to me? :)


10 posted on 03/26/2006 4:11:45 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: abu afak
There is no Israel 'Lobby'

Right; and the present gang of GOPers are conservatives.

11 posted on 03/26/2006 4:18:00 PM PST by eskimo (Political groupies - rabid defenders of the indefensible.)
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To: abu afak

I do think there is an Israel lobby. On the other hand, our policy is being guided more by other factors, particularly of late.


12 posted on 03/26/2006 4:19:16 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

No Kent

it was to posted in response to BattleofBritan


13 posted on 03/26/2006 4:21:08 PM PST by abu afak (Mellita, domi adsum)
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To: Battleofbritain
we must ask ourselves why these researchers feel that there is something nefarious about AIPAC

Perhaps its because two of the top officals at AIPAC have been charged with espinoge and passing classifed documents to a foreign power....just a guess.

14 posted on 03/26/2006 4:40:00 PM PST by crabapple joe
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To: abu afak

"Over the course of four tours in the White House, I never once saw a decision in the Oval Office to tilt U.S. foreign policy in favor of Israel at the expense of America's interest."

One sentence of clarity vs. 82 pages of BS.


15 posted on 03/26/2006 4:40:26 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Funny taglines are value plays.)
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There is too an Israel lobby. It is me! I am all powerful.

You may all grovel.

16 posted on 03/26/2006 4:44:19 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Battleofbritain
The entire point of the study seems to be the accusation that Jews are not loyal to the US... and yes... that IS anti-semitism

I would suggest that some restraint is in order before flinging the a-S word at people over your subjective judgment about what their point seems to be.

Ever since Frank Rich suggested that Bob Dole was anti-Semitic just because Dole spoke critically of the trash being produced in Hollywood, I have looked with instant suspicion at anyone bringing news that some previously respected person was trafficing in anti-Semitism. It wins no friends, to say the least.

17 posted on 03/26/2006 4:52:18 PM PST by LK44-40
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I didn't even know about the Bob Dole incident you were referring to, and I agree that it was an absurd basis for calling him anti-semitic.
However, this is quite a different situation. Anti-"zionism" or Anti-Israel sentiment has become a very common tool for the legitimization of anti-semitism, particularly in academia. Note for example a ban in some English universities against Israeli academics, regardless of their actual views on the situation.
I reject the common claim (made by these authors as well), that anybody who criticizes Israeli policy is accused of anti-semitism... indeed many great friends of Israel have criticized Israeli policies (whether from the right or the left of the political spectrum), and no such accusations are aimed at them. The problem is when true anti-semitism is hidden in anti-Israel rhetoric. For example the authors claim that they have discovered a mass of "American Jews who make a significant effort in their daily lives to bend U.S. foreign policy so that it advances Israel's interests.", questions the loyalty of US Jews in a way that no other group is similarly questioned, particularly not groups that advocate America's allies.


18 posted on 03/26/2006 5:04:55 PM PST by Battleofbritain
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"Perhaps its because two of the top officals at AIPAC have been charged with espinoge and passing classifed documents to a foreign power....just a guess."

First of all, the incident you mention is a relatively recent development, while the accusations of disloyalty made by the authors have been made all over the world against Jews for thousands of years.
Secondly, two officials being charged with espionage does not vindicate the academics sweeping claim that the "Israel lobby" as a whole, which they later clarify as code for "American Jews", are disloyal to American interests.


19 posted on 03/26/2006 5:11:34 PM PST by Battleofbritain
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To: abu afak

David Gergen stumbles upon the truth. It's enough to renew your hope.


20 posted on 03/26/2006 5:16:21 PM PST by popdonnelly
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