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The Immigration Debate: GOP COMMITS SUICIDE!
nationalledger ^ | Mar 25, 2006 | Matthew A. Roberts

Posted on 03/25/2006 11:03:30 PM PST by Icelander

In elections one earns political capital. Once spent, c’est tout. Consumed capital cannot be replenished by a cauterized constituency, and today the Republican base boils.

I recently spoke to someone who volunteered for Bush’s 2004 campaign. I asked whether he would work for the GOP in 2008, and he bemoaned “no.” I asked why, and he replied, “It’s a sad day when Democrats like Dianne Feinstein are tougher on immigration than Republicans like Sam Brownback.”

The avalanche of support that has followed Republicans since 1994 we now see slowly evaporating over the issue of a guest-worker program. Impassioned Republicans four years ago now stand out of steam, feeling betrayed by a party leadership that would support a bill so at odds with conservative principles.

This guest-worker proposal, after all, rewards illegal behavior. Instead of requiring illegal immigrants to return to Mexico (or wherever) to apply for a permit, it grants legal status on the spot, thus acting as a “magnet for continued illegal immigration.” And, as Rep. John Hostettler (R.-Ind.) recently said, any guest-worker plan “puts the interest of foreign, illegal workers above those of our own American citizens.”

Newt Gingrich summed up the matter most succinctly on the O’Reilly Factor (March 15, 2006). He has observed a growing divide between Washington GOP elites and the average voting Republican. Somehow, GOP elites have come to believe that a guest-worker program is necessary (although it is not). Your average GOP voter, however, while praising boosts to border security, deeply dislikes any guest-worker giveaway.

Why GOP leadership supports such a lemon remains unseen. In 1986 Congress passed the Immigration Reform and Control Act. It granted green cards to three million illegal immigrants, consequently attracting yet another five million to cross the border to replace their decriminalized comrades. Furthermore, a recent poll taken in Mexico found that at least 46 percent of the population (50 million Mexicans) would cross the border if given the chance. Any guest-worker initiative advertises this avenue.

It is in future forecasts, however, that Republicans really blunder. Illegal immigrants, voting for socialist candidates in Mexico or South America, will become Democrats once gaining full citizenship. Superficial surveys taken in a couple cities show that 9 out of 10 illegal immigrants support Democrats over Republicans. This guest-worker program, on a silver platter, will hand over California, Florida, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico to Democrats.

Is the GOP abating its base and fallowing its future in one fell swoop?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; amnesty; aztlan; bigotry; borders; crime; elections; hysteria; immigrantlist; parnoia; politics; selfdestruct; whining
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To: biff
I did not fall for the Perot BS of the 90's but I feel now I have no choice but to change.

I didn't either, but I felt that way in 2004. Believe me, voting against both the factions is a liberating experience. I will never, ever vote for a Democrat, but I cannot see me voting nationally for a Republican again.

Just be careful of one thing: the cheering squad will be saying that we just need a 100-Republican Senate to do what REALLY needs to be done and that "this election [any election] is the most important of our lifetime, so hold your nose and vote against a Democrat." Those arguments are falling more and more on deaf ears, intelligent thought, and reason, but we'll still hear them, and some will still fall for them.

141 posted on 03/26/2006 7:33:42 AM PST by jammer
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To: Icelander
Is the GOP abating its base and fallowing its future in one fell swoop?

Let's put it this way...

The GOP and the President have been OWNED and derelict in its duty ever since they failed to impeach Bubba OR thoroughly investigate his countless unexplained shenanigans (hello missing FBI files, Vince Foster, Chinagate, etc. ad infinitum.)

The will of the American people has been laughed at and ignored regarding the illegal invasion and so-called "Homeland Security" scam...

It's the will of the Globalist NWO that has been heeded...

Houston, we DO have a problem.

142 posted on 03/26/2006 7:34:30 AM PST by F16Fighter (Help elect a pro-U.S sovereign/anti-illegal invasion President THIS NEXT TIME)
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To: kittymyrib
And the lies and inaccuracies in the screed are. . .?

143 posted on 03/26/2006 7:36:05 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: MNJohnnie

You see, we look at what they do, not what they say any longer. Any of the 534 asses (your guess which is not an ass) can introduce a bill full of bull. You've been conned. When are you going to see it?


144 posted on 03/26/2006 7:36:23 AM PST by jammer
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To: Number57
Zot?

The truth hurts?

145 posted on 03/26/2006 7:38:48 AM PST by null and void (Perhaps hating America is for those for whom hating Jews just isn't enough. - Philippe Roger)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
Conservatives have been sold out. Again.

Color me shocked.

146 posted on 03/26/2006 7:39:31 AM PST by null and void (Perhaps hating America is for those for whom hating Jews just isn't enough. - Philippe Roger)
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To: djf
Why is it that George W. Bush, given the choice of siding with conservative middle class America, seems to ALWAYS choose to side with non-Americans and foreign controlled interests?

The controlling economic philosophy of the Republican party seems to be Davos internationalism. These people I call Davos Republicans. Davos Republicans are indifferent to whether a factory is built in China or in the US. They get paid from executive compensation or investments so they would actually prefer that offshoring be accelerated. However most of the Republican voters make their living by getting jobs within the national (not international) economy. So it is a BIG difference to them if a factory is located in the US or in China. There is a disconnect between people who have voted Republican and the Republican elites.
147 posted on 03/26/2006 8:09:12 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: hedgetrimmer; DoughtyOne; Travis McGee
You stated: "Most central comittees have been taken over by RINOs and worse, and you don't have to wonder why no loyal American candidates are being put up for these offices. "

This phenomenon is similar to that which makes kids join gangs. The internet has provided a mechanism for combating this.

Millions of people can act in accord without ever having a meeting. By reaching a consensus on a few important issues that cross party lines, and only supporting people who agree with them, regardless of party.

By focusing on just a few issues and getting the non-voters motivated all political parties can be penetrated.

Loyalty to the issue is the key.If all we could accomplish was to influence the outcome of an issue, that would be a win.

Wanting to be in the winning party is our nemesis.

The Port deal demonstrates the power of bipartisan support for an issue.

Do you wonder who is organizing all these demonstrations by illegals who are not the least bit worried about being identified as such.

Closing our borders and stopping the NWO/CFR "North American Community" plan needs immediate attention.

See this CFR document, called "Building a North American Community," asserts that George W. Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin "committed their governments" to this goal when they met at Bush's ranch and at Waco, Texas on March 23, 2005. The three adopted the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" and assigned "working groups" to fill in the details.

148 posted on 03/26/2006 8:12:28 AM PST by eazdzit (Stop the bleeding All NWO PuboCrats MUST BE VOTED OUT!!! DO NOT re-elect the least of two evils!!!)
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To: Lurker

I don't think it will hurt them at all. What are you gonna do, vote Democrat?


149 posted on 03/26/2006 8:13:43 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: eazdzit

And people wonder why I'm a monarchist.


150 posted on 03/26/2006 8:25:15 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: eazdzit
Two nits for you:

Millions of people can act in accord without ever having a meeting

People can dissent (but this is generally considered a tool of the communists). We have a system which allows for individiuals to participate in the selection of candidates for national office. The grass roots central party system does work, if people participate in in and protect it from corruption by infiltration by people who do not agree with the stated platform and principles.

By reaching a consensus

Consensus is yet another tool used by communists for undermining the voice of the individual. A vote must be taken in order for our system to work as it is designed.

Just an FYI, but the media has innoculated the people of this country with the marxist lexicon. We need to be aware of the meaning of these words and the effect they have on free people.
151 posted on 03/26/2006 8:42:14 AM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Wolfie
I'll do worse than that. I'll stay home.

L

152 posted on 03/26/2006 8:45:09 AM PST by Lurker (I trust in God. Everyone else shows me their hands.)
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To: PGalt
You stated: "The easiest way to bring about change is to vote one party into extinction. It is efficient, inexpensive, and no blood is shed. Another party will automatically rise up. If the elected representatives of the major party cannot represent the will of the people, they will meet the same fate. The obvious choice to vote off the island of liberty is The Democratic Crime Syndicate. Reconsider. Focus"

I disagree. Loyalty to a party is just what they are counting on. For example people saying that the public supported Bush's position on a guest worker program because he received 52% of the vote.

There were enough non-voters to have elected someone else. Stir them up and bring them out to vote on issues. Pick the party that best suits them and support candidates that support the main issue.

I suggest it is time to focus on issues and not the party. i.e. Border control, Term limits, ANTI FREE TRAITORS

153 posted on 03/26/2006 8:48:32 AM PST by eazdzit (Stop the bleeding All NWO PuboCrats MUST BE VOTED OUT!!! DO NOT re-elect the least of two evils!!!)
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To: Icelander

I have been debating joining the COnstitution party. If I did I would probably still fote for Republicans but am looking for a more concervative message and really haven't been getting it.
Especially on ILLEGAL immigration.


154 posted on 03/26/2006 9:03:29 AM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: Sam the Sham

We have two parties in America: the Big Business Party (the GOP) and the Big Government Party (the Democrats). Either way you vote, you're electing someone Big.

What we need is a party that thinks about small groups -- families -- first, not special interest groups; that promotes the interests of local entrepreneurs -- small business -- not gigantic multinational megacorporations; that concentrates of the small, legitimate business of government -- defense, justice, commonweal -- not on power for its own sake. We need a party that thinks small, not big.

"Small is beautiful" -- E.F. Schumacher


155 posted on 03/26/2006 9:06:48 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texa Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan
Monarchist huh? heh heh.

You stated: "We need a party that thinks small, not big. "

I agree and think to do that, what we need is a virtual organization that allows each individual to support his or her cultural concerns and provides a means to influence the outcome of major common issues.

The current system is designed to keep people aligned behind the "PARTY". This allows the elite to pick the candidates and control what gets done. We need to develop a bi partisan grass roots issue oriented approach.

ONLY VOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION ON THE MAIN ISSUES

156 posted on 03/26/2006 9:27:17 AM PST by eazdzit (Vote AGAINST All NWO PuboCrats !! DO NOT re-elect the least of two evils!!!)
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To: eazdzit
" means integrating the United States with the corruption, socialism, poverty and population of Mexico. "Common perimeter" means wide-open U.S. borders between the U.S., Mexico and Canada.

Politicians have one chance to make it right PASS 4437!

As to how to deport millions of the socialists? They knew how to get in and they know how to get out, make it a voluntary byebye party at first and than arrest and deport in one fell swoop those who didnt voluntarily leave, while putting the national guard on the border with orders to shoot to kill if anyone try's to sneak back in.

Anyone sneaking into this country illegally does NOT have good intentions for our Country!!!

Make sure they take their da*n mexican flags with them.

157 posted on 03/26/2006 9:56:19 AM PST by stopem (Call any co you deal with and insist they not let any illegal work on or near your property, we did!)
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To: SUSSA

Won't May 6th be to late?


158 posted on 03/26/2006 9:58:47 AM PST by stopem (Call any co you deal with and insist they not let any illegal work on or near your property, we did!)
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To: Wasanother
Bush won IN SPITE OF, not due to, his abominable, unconscionable position advocating open borders.

The fact that there was not a well-funded, anti-immigration, law and order conservative running opposite him in the Republican Party is not evidence of a dearth of support for enforcing our laws, but rather, an illustration of how captive the GOP has become to corporate interests, which have no desire to see this unsustainable situation ameliorated in the slightest.

159 posted on 03/26/2006 10:39:28 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Dialup Llama
However most of the Republican voters make their living by getting jobs within the national (not international) economy. So it is a BIG difference to them if a factory is located in the US or in China. There is a disconnect between people who have voted Republican and the Republican elites.

You make a very valid point. I worked internationally (in Europe), and it did not make a whit of difference when tax time came around. I paid federal income tax, and the local VAT. The only quibble that I have is that it is not isolated to Republicans, and Republican elites. Both of our American parties behave the same way. Most of the Americans and westerners that I ran into in Europe were of socialist/Marxist leanings and did not vote (let alone register to vote). That is probably a good thing for our Republic.

160 posted on 03/26/2006 10:42:52 AM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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